POR-15 and resale

[fergusg]

Was advised at the weekend by Offords that they would be scared off by seeing a chassis that was painted if I ever wanted to sell my car. They had not heard of POR-15. Their advice was waxoyl only. Any thoughts?

[that daddy]

that b*llocks,waxoyl on bare metal dont last its just a belt & braces approach,thick caked underseal now that puts people off,how can painting the chassis and showing you maintain the car scare people off.i do wonder,if you got nothing to say worth while then shut up,thats not you im having a pop at furgusq.i suppose your to leave the crap powder coating flaking off then waxoyl over that,cos that will look great.......yeh.

[victormeldrew]

That's not really a great advert for Offords TBH.

[fergusg]

Just like to point out that I was very happy with my service at Offords and the guy I spoke to had had a bad experience with a chassis that had been made to look pretty with some paint and presumably some filler too? When he took possession of the car he was faced with thousands of pounds of welding. He was just giving me his opinion and I can't criticise him for that.

[victormeldrew]

But not having heard of POR-15? Bit of a "not-invented-here" attitude perhaps.

[tvrbob]

I can see Offords point here.

If I was checking an unknown second hand TVR and I found the chassis plothered with thick wads of POR15 I would have no way of knowing how bad the chassis was. It could be paper thin and I wouldn't be able to see it.

A chassis painted with hammerite and waxoil is easy to examine.

Sorry all you advocates of POR15 but Offords have good reason to worry. In the old days it was common practice to lash on new underseal to hide floor pan rot from prospective buyers.

[ray_von]

Bob, when i used POR15 it went on just like normal paint(and came off the same) are you suggesting that it should look like old fashioned underseal, ziebart , was it ? not that old tbh so i may be mistaken

[fergusg]

tvrbob said:

I can see Offords point here.

If I was checking an unknown second hand TVR and I found the chassis plothered with thick wads of POR15 I would have no way of knowing how bad the chassis was. It could be paper thin and I wouldn't be able to see it.

A chassis painted with hammerite and waxoil is easy to examine.

Sorry all you advocates of POR15 but Offords have good reason to worry. In the old days it was common practice to lash on new underseal to hide floor pan rot from prospective buyers.

Actually POR-15 is a thinner paint than Hammerite, so it should be easier to examine. However I guess Offords would not know that. I know what you mean though Bob, I am torn though. I have bought all the stuff to do the job for fifty quid and then someone drps that one on me.

[ray_von]

glad you think the same as me maybe someone is mistaken

[That Daddy]

yeh i found POR15 a bit thin actually,i used three coats on the outriggers,just looks like one coat of hammerite,the reason i dont use hammerite is because i find it chips all to easily,primed or unprimed.and if you cant spot a bodged chassis,maybe you should seek someone that can.

[Griffter]

There's certainly something in the 'warts and all' theory. I'd rather see what I'm letting myself in for when buying a car than buy one already done - when I've no idea what level of preparation was used, or what condition the chassis was in to start with.
The answer of course is to photograph your chassis before, during and after painting, then show the photos to any enquiring buyer.

[lordgrover]

[skeptic]Maybe the annual waxoyling is a nice little earner for dealers?[/skeptic]

[tyre_tread]

lordgrover said:

[skeptic]Maybe the annual waxoyling is a nice little earner for dealers?[/skeptic]

Mindreader!

[M@H]

tvrbob said:

I can see Offords point here.

I can't. If they have trouble telling a maintained chassis from a knackered one then I am a bit scared. POR 15 is only a paint afterall. Clearly they wouldn't like mine at all then as I have replaced sections of flaking powercoat with white hammerite

Granted if I spent days filling my outrigger tubes with filler, rubbing them down and profiling them, then painting over the top then it would be very difficult to see, but whether thats done with POR-15, Hammerite, or trade emulsion its still going to be the same effect (and I agree this would be very difficult to diagnose without a magnet). As for the preferring waxoyl comment, well if it was painted in white, then a goodly layer of waxoyl over the top it would just look like the original chassis coating anyway..? If I'm looking at a chassis I'd prefer just seeing paint than thick waxoyl because you can press it to feel for "powdering" underneath or run a screwdriver over it to see if it flakes off.

Cheers,
Matt.

Edited by M@H on Wednesday 4th October 09:42

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Griffter said:

The answer of course is to photograph your chassis before, during and after painting, then show the photos to any enquiring buyer.

This is what I have done with mine, and all the photos are in a nice album! I obviously have too much time on my hands!

[that daddy]

Ill go with M&H on this one but the photo,s are a good idea also Ads,the camera is good b/up and shows your maintaining the car.

[mgaut]

That Daddy said:

yeh i found POR15 a bit thin actually

from experience, give it a really good stir with something you don't mind being destroyed !

[victormeldrew]

lordgrover said:

[skeptic]Maybe the annual waxoyling is a nice little earner for dealers?[/skeptic]

pretty much what I was getting at with the "not invented here" comment.

POR is not underseal (Bob), and done properly won't hide anything any more than any other paint. If the standard coating has started to flake and rust has been coming through, I'd much rather see something treated with POR than left to get worse.

Dealers of course have a nice little earner with annual waxoyl retreatments and eventual chassis replacement when it "rots out from the inside" (obviously, its been Waxoyl'd).

Cynic, moi?