Protecting the tops of the outriggers - how ?
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I have recently started the unpleasant job of protecting the outriggers. Firstly they are in good nick with most of the original powder coat in tact and certainly no rust, however, as a long term approach i decided to rub them down to paint & waxoyl.
How on earth do people paint or waxoyl the top of the outriggers, the gap around the outrigger against the bodywork is too tiny to get a brush or waxoyl extension into - so whats teh trick? i certainly don't want to leave the most crucial third exposed coz i can't reach it. Other than body off - whats the recommendation?
How on earth do people paint or waxoyl the top of the outriggers, the gap around the outrigger against the bodywork is too tiny to get a brush or waxoyl extension into - so whats teh trick? i certainly don't want to leave the most crucial third exposed coz i can't reach it. Other than body off - whats the recommendation?
I have a waxoyl gun which has a pipe attachment which you can get onto the top of the outrigger, and in particular into those awkward places where the cross bracing is near the centre of the car. The pipe is very similar to the windscreen squirter clear pipe with a nail in the end to spread the waxoyl outwards. It does get everywhere including all over you - I did it in the road so it didn't mess up my property. Not sure they do these spray kits anymore though.
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Andy JB, shame you have not got one of those hobby compressors,or can you borrow one,if you use a commercial stone chip gun & nossle you can load on a waxoyl 1 liter cartridge and then just go yee haa in all the gaps beetween the body and the outriggers it will flow over the tubes,but it is messy.good luck.oh, brown brothers etc sell the neccesary gun attatchment.
I used POR15 on the outriggers and did the top of the outriggers using a combintaion of a decorators pasting brush and a cut down plastic A4 wallet - cut so that the A4 wallet is split into its component A4 plastic sheets (you will have 2 sheets once the wallet is split apart. Firstly remove most of the bristles off of the pasting brush by cutting them off leaving a thinner line of full length bristles on the brush - ideally you want a brush with as long a bristle as you can find. Cut a hole in the plastic A4 and feed the handle of brush through it. Load the brush up with POR15 and feed the plastic sheet around the outrigger so that it is between the underside of the car and the brush and so that it emerges around the other side of the outrigger. Feed the brush over the outrigger and pull on the plastic sheet - this forces the bristles to make good contact with the outrigger all the way round. As the brush is probably only 4 inches or so wide, you can only do a small section at a time - it's a lengthy process but works. The plastic A4 sheet works as it is thin enough to pass between the outrigger and the underside of the body. I came across a number of sections where I couldn't feed the sheet around the outrigger, in which case I just used the brush having loaded it up with extra POR15 - it's a bit more wasteful when you can't use the plastic sheet as you end up painting the underside of the car as well as the outrigger - but persevere as it works just as well.
When it came to putting waxoyl on the outrigger tops, I found a little gizmo (literally on the floor - dunno where it came from) which did the trick. It's a piece of wire with a ball of foam fixed to the end. I suppose a piece of coat hanger glued to a few square centimetres of foam would be just as good. I dipped it into the waxoyl, and found that I could adjust the bend in the wire so that I could get round all the tube tops. Took a while, and was fairly messy, but seemed to be effective.
I'm about to do a similar thing with Rust Bullet on my Chimaera chassis.
I've just bought and installed a 2-post lift to make the job a little easier, but any more tips on how to paint (accurately) the tops of the rails would be very useful.
So far it's going to be lots of foam/rags and bent coat-hangers.
I've just bought and installed a 2-post lift to make the job a little easier, but any more tips on how to paint (accurately) the tops of the rails would be very useful.
So far it's going to be lots of foam/rags and bent coat-hangers.
That Daddy said:
Andy JB, shame you have not got one of those hobby compressors,or can you borrow one,if you use a commercial stone chip gun & nossle you can load on a waxoyl 1 liter cartridge and then just go yee haa in all the gaps beetween the body and the outriggers it will flow over the tubes,but it is messy.good luck.oh, brown brothers etc sell the neccesary gun attatchment.
Yep that's what I use. Big compressor + stone chip gun and flexi nozzle.
Ed450 said:
When it came to putting waxoyl on the outrigger tops, I found a little gizmo (literally on the floor - dunno where it came from) which did the trick. It's a piece of wire with a ball of foam fixed to the end. I suppose a piece of coat hanger glued to a few square centimetres of foam would be just as good. I dipped it into the waxoyl, and found that I could adjust the bend in the wire so that I could get round all the tube tops. Took a while, and was fairly messy, but seemed to be effective.
Did something similar with the paint - piece of flexible wire and a small piece of foam wrapped onto the end. Load with paint and have fun. Can get into the really awkward areas. You'll still miss some i'm sure hence the waxoyl to finish.
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FlipFlopGriff said:
I have a waxoyl gun which has a pipe attachment which you can get onto the top of the outrigger, and in particular into those awkward places where the cross bracing is near the centre of the car. The pipe is very similar to the windscreen squirter clear pipe with a nail in the end to spread the waxoyl outwards. It does get everywhere including all over you - I did it in the road so it didn't mess up my property. Not sure they do these spray kits anymore though.
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I did buy this attachment with the waxoyl, however, i removed the nail as i thought it was part of the packaging!!! The tube still didn't fit in the gap in most places along the chassis anyway.
I guess i need to come up with a home made attachment or invest in the proper gear, perhaps a good opportunity for someone to come up with a solution.
s5tvr said:
I used POR15 on the outriggers and did the top of the outriggers using a combintaion of a decorators pasting brush and a cut down plastic A4 wallet - cut so that the A4 wallet is split into its component A4 plastic sheets (you will have 2 sheets once the wallet is split apart. Firstly remove most of the bristles off of the pasting brush by cutting them off leaving a thinner line of full length bristles on the brush - ideally you want a brush with as long a bristle as you can find. Cut a hole in the plastic A4 and feed the handle of brush through it. Load the brush up with POR15 and feed the plastic sheet around the outrigger so that it is between the underside of the car and the brush and so that it emerges around the other side of the outrigger. Feed the brush over the outrigger and pull on the plastic sheet - this forces the bristles to make good contact with the outrigger all the way round. As the brush is probably only 4 inches or so wide, you can only do a small section at a time - it's a lengthy process but works. The plastic A4 sheet works as it is thin enough to pass between the outrigger and the underside of the body. I came across a number of sections where I couldn't feed the sheet around the outrigger, in which case I just used the brush having loaded it up with extra POR15 - it's a bit more wasteful when you can't use the plastic sheet as you end up painting the underside of the car as well as the outrigger - but persevere as it works just as well.
Very imaginative, sounds just the job.andy jb said:
FlipFlopGriff said:
I have a waxoyl gun which has a pipe attachment which you can get onto the top of the outrigger, and in particular into those awkward places where the cross bracing is near the centre of the car. The pipe is very similar to the windscreen squirter clear pipe with a nail in the end to spread the waxoyl outwards. It does get everywhere including all over you - I did it in the road so it didn't mess up my property. Not sure they do these spray kits anymore though.
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I did buy this attachment with the waxoyl, however, i removed the nail as i thought it was part of the packaging!!! The tube still didn't fit in the gap in most places along the chassis anyway.
I guess i need to come up with a home made attachment or invest in the proper gear, perhaps a good opportunity for someone to come up with a solution.
.Hi
There might another approach to protect the outrigger tops - sacrificial anode technology!
Zinga is an 86% zinc coating that has a 'throw' of 1 metre - which means that even unprotected metal less than a metre from the Zinga coated part of the steel item will be protected.
So if you clean down the undersides of the outriggers to bare metal and coat well with Zinga, the tops will be protected as well.
I would put POR15 over the Zinga as well.
Ricardo
There might another approach to protect the outrigger tops - sacrificial anode technology!
Zinga is an 86% zinc coating that has a 'throw' of 1 metre - which means that even unprotected metal less than a metre from the Zinga coated part of the steel item will be protected.
So if you clean down the undersides of the outriggers to bare metal and coat well with Zinga, the tops will be protected as well.
I would put POR15 over the Zinga as well.
Ricardo
I have my outriggers to do; just building up to it coz I know it's gonna be HELL!
I've yet to check for clearance but intend to use lengths of wet n dry taken from a roll and pass them over the tubes to clean-up the inaccessible areas in the tub chanels. Was then gonna use one of those 'rust converters' soaked onto strips of rag (again, passed over the tubes) to neutralise any remaining corrosion. Been looking into the idea of fitting the nozzle and tube from a can of 'Dubs 40' onto the Hammerite aerosol can; either that or convert the existing nozzle to take the tube. Just as long as the top surfaces are coated; anything that dribbles down can be smoothed out with a brush. Will give it a good wax-oiling after that..........assuming I've not gone insane with my endeavours over this @rse of a job!
I've yet to check for clearance but intend to use lengths of wet n dry taken from a roll and pass them over the tubes to clean-up the inaccessible areas in the tub chanels. Was then gonna use one of those 'rust converters' soaked onto strips of rag (again, passed over the tubes) to neutralise any remaining corrosion. Been looking into the idea of fitting the nozzle and tube from a can of 'Dubs 40' onto the Hammerite aerosol can; either that or convert the existing nozzle to take the tube. Just as long as the top surfaces are coated; anything that dribbles down can be smoothed out with a brush. Will give it a good wax-oiling after that..........assuming I've not gone insane with my endeavours over this @rse of a job!
PVC double glazing fitters use a closed cell, plastic tubing to pack into cracks & gaps. Its soft & flexible & cannot absorb or hold moisture.
I was thinking of using it in the gap between the out rigger & the body. It comes in various widths. A bit the thickness of a finger can be squeezed down to next to nothing & should be ideal
I was thinking of using it in the gap between the out rigger & the body. It comes in various widths. A bit the thickness of a finger can be squeezed down to next to nothing & should be ideal
victormeldrew said:
Can the sills be packed with anything afterwards to stop grit etc getting in?
May have a solution soon - my local indy is working on mass production once the moulds are produced and material agreed. This will stop water and grit from both front and rear.
On one of the Griffs the gap on one side was next to zero and much wider on the other side - guess they will all be different but the waxoyl tube did work. In some places I had to feed the tube in and run it along the top to the more inaccessible areas.
Mike - shouldn't you be doing something else?
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