Speedo accuracy (Not)
Speedo accuracy (Not)
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poorpeet

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837 posts

276 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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I have always been a bit worried about the speedo so the other day I went for a run with the sat nav in.
The results were as expected except that it seems to be 8-12 mph fast at all speeds.ie 20mph true reads as 30mph on the speedo & 100mph reads as around 110mph (Private road of course!)angel
I would have expected the error to increase with speed but this seems not to be the case.
Is there anything I can do in the way of adjustment to sort it out?
It's one of the early black rimmed speedo's if that makes a difference.

Ballistic Banana

14,706 posts

298 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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Its the speed sensor, perhaps the gap has got to big or its just word out...generally i think speedos are built with a small margin of error ( is 10% right) but yours seems more than that.

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Konrod

912 posts

259 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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Yes, all speedos read fast as it's illegal to sell a car that reads low - I have put several cars through SVA and this is reflected there as well. 10% isn't out of order although modern production cars tend to be within 5%. Think of it as your get out of jail card around scamerasbiggrin

poorpeet

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837 posts

276 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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Yes, I was expecting it to be 10% or so out. But, while it's 10% at 100mph it's 50% fast at 20mph!!eek
Do you think I can get my money back from TVR!biggrin

Is the air gap at the sensor adjustable? If so any idea what the gap should be?

chrispitman

742 posts

285 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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The sensor is on the diff, it threaded and has a locking nut. Any thing less than 1mm I think basically as close as possible so than when you spin the trigger whell to does not make contact.

Automental

219 posts

232 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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Mine's even worse (96 model). At 85 it's reading about 110! v. flattering!
I'm still not sure from this thread whether or not it's adjustable?

fastandcurious

437 posts

239 months

Thursday 24th April 2008
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My speedo was replaced at the TVR factory in 2004 and when checked against my Road Angel reads 20% faster right through. I posted a thread about a year ago about this and one of the answers I got was that my new speedo was geared differently for a later car,(my car being a 94 Griff) It's also worth noting that the mileage will also be 20% more also. Quite important whilst trying to keep miles down within the confines of a limited mileage insurance.

Chim Chim Cheree

49 posts

227 months

Friday 25th April 2008
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Nobody's mentioned rear tyres/wheels yet, and they can have a direct impact.
If the overall rolling diameter is different to the original size then this will have an impact on the accuracy of the speedo reading.
Though, I guess that to get a difference of 20%, you would need to have considerably larger/smaller diameter - and the difference in readings caused by this would also be proportional to speed.
So I suspect that this may not be the only factor in some of the posts above. Worth mentioning, though...

davetherave1970

2,144 posts

277 months

Friday 25th April 2008
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Chim Chim Cheree said:
Nobody's mentioned rear tyres/wheels yet, and they can have a direct impact.
If the overall rolling diameter is different to the original size then this will have an impact on the accuracy of the speedo reading.
Though, I guess that to get a difference of 20%, you would need to have considerably larger/smaller diameter - and the difference in readings caused by this would also be proportional to speed.
So I suspect that this may not be the only factor in some of the posts above. Worth mentioning, though...
yes but to make the speedo read 10% faster the tyre/wheel diameter needs to be a lot smaller. From 18" to 16" is only 7.1% faster reading (+ normal 10% = 20% as said earier). See hereconfusedbiggrin

jonnyb

2,590 posts

283 months

Friday 25th April 2008
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Having been through this a few years back I can understand the confusion. The TVR speed set-up reads speeds with a margin of error. The law states that this should be at least 10% and that the speedo should never read less than the speed of the car.

At slow speed the speedo is very inaccurate, can be as much as 50%, this improves at high speed as the voltage signal from the sensor gets better. but the error should never be less than 10%.

The sensor can be moved closer the the trigger wheel, and the age of the car will dictate where the trigger wheel is, diff or drive shaft.

Unfortunately, in my experience, this did not solve the problem. Mine was over reading by a hell of a lot, at 120 on the motorway I was being over taken by trucks! A bit of an exaggeration, but you get the picture.

The only way round this, having changed the sensor and still no joy, was to send the speedo off to Speedy Cables, and have them recalibrate it. It came back with an adjustable circuit that I could play with when out with my GPS. After some fettling mine now reads 10% error at all speeds down to about 30mph, below that its rubbish!

edward1

839 posts

297 months

Friday 25th April 2008
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I was recently suprised how close to a GPS mine was reading 60 on speeedo to 57-58 on GPS, although at the time the sensor gap was too big and below 40 it read nothing (now adjusted). On mine the gap has to be very small for it to pick up anything at low speeds (currently set with feeler guage at 0.25mm), and it reads at speeds above 20 now, if I'm doing less than that I really don't care.

Zippee

14,147 posts

265 months

Friday 25th April 2008
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Mines out by about 2mph max, at 125 on the speedo I have a GPS reading of 123 on a straight, flat erm - airfield!

Andy JB

1,321 posts

250 months

Friday 25th April 2008
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FWIW
LIKEWISE MINE IS ONLY 2MPH OUT AT MOST. ALL CARS ARE DESIGNED TO READ OVER AS A SAFETY FUNCTION. YOURS MAY NEED RECALIBRATING/REPLACING IF ITS A PROBLEM

TVRobin

141 posts

243 months

Tuesday 29th April 2008
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Mine reads much higher than the actual speed and actually goes up when I decelerate! Has anyone else seen that?

spend

12,581 posts

282 months

Tuesday 29th April 2008
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Quinny said:
My locks flick around when the blower fan is onyes

Does that count??hehehehe
Really? whistle

PP: Maybe degreasing the crown wheel and cleaning the sensor would help, checking the resistance of the wiring from speedo to sensor might also help. Don't forget your car should have the gauges that can be calibrated thru the rear of the speedo. Tyre RR is not exact ~ maybe yours are just way out of range due to size / stiffness / pressure...

BurbleMeister

152 posts

223 months

Thursday 1st May 2008
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Aha seen this kind of post before smile Its also pretty common amongst people with classic cars...

I own an Etype Jaguar which is over 40 years old so the speedo is not as good is it could be although it *has* been recalibrated. It also continually flicks from zero to 25 when travelling below 30 but thats a cable issue.

Sorry, I diverge... this is the Cnimeara forum so enough about classic sportcars. I am posting here because i am in the process of buying a Chim and I am reading EVERYTHING to do with the cars smile

Back to the point:

What I did in the Etype was use a satnav to hit the various speed limits and then look at the rev counter whilst ensuring I was using an appropriate gear for the speed. Right gear and right revs = correct speed.

So you can pretty much ignore the speedo. Some people also place a small marker on the rev counter glass.

Just an idea to keep the boys in blue at bay. smile

I look forward to posting pics of my new purchase (dont shoot me but i like the cars with modified lights...)

Cheers


That Daddy

19,462 posts

252 months

Thursday 1st May 2008
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Mines over by 5mph at 75 mph,well according to the sat/navwink