Real Chim running costs.
Real Chim running costs.
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Gridley123

Original Poster:

2 posts

220 months

Sunday 13th July 2008
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Hi there,
I have recently fallen in love with the idea of owning a Chimaera; however, I currently plan to own it for a year, as a change of circumstances then will mean I will have to buy a property!

As a newcomer to both TVRs and performance motoring in general, I wonder if a Chimaera owner could give me a realistic approximation of running costs including servicing, maintenance and depreciation over a year. I plan to try and find myself a good example under £12,000.

I am aware that no figures are set in stone and TVR ownership is not the most predictable of expenditures, but a good figure to hang my hat on would be very useful!

S6 Devil

3,556 posts

264 months

Sunday 13th July 2008
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I just worked mine out over four years and it was an average of £4k a year including depreciation of £2k, excluding insurance, tax and petrol. Hope that helps!

Gridley123

Original Poster:

2 posts

220 months

Sunday 13th July 2008
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Very useful thanks. Out of interest, how much was it new, what year is it, and what was/is the condition like?

S6 Devil

3,556 posts

264 months

Sunday 13th July 2008
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I'm not sure the cost new but I paid £16000 four years ago. It's a 98 S with full leather in very good condition.

R3UMP

171 posts

244 months

Monday 14th July 2008
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Hi

I have owned my 98 Chimaera 400 for just over 2 years and have been so pleased with it. I paid 12K for it with 36k miles on the clock. I had a big service and one or two bits sorted when I first brought it which was about £700 and have spent a further £800 on servicing and a few maintenance jobs since. It's now due for another service so I hope that would not be more than about £400.

I reckon the car would still be worth about 10K judging by similar priced and conditioned cars currently for sale ( not that I'm looking to sell it ), so all in all not a bad ownership experience.

Good luck - take your time to find a nice one, make sure you have a good look underneath and check the chassis out especially the outriggers. You have to look beneath the surface of these cars, bear in mind that even the most tired examples can still look good, don't be fooled by shinny paint and that exhaust note to die for.

Enjoy!

sparkythecat

8,108 posts

286 months

Monday 14th July 2008
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I bought a 98R 400 in 2002 for £17k

In 6 years its cost me around £5000 in servicing bills, MOT feees, and replacement parts including a clutch replacement 2 sets of tyres, and upper and lower front wishbones. I used to have it serviced at the factory, but laterly at local indies. Most of the non-service work, I've done myself.

It may be worth about £9k on a good day - but I've no intention of selling

So, including depreciation, six years have to date cost me around £13k, not including Road Tax, Fuel or insurance .

It's only let me down twice in that time. Timing cover gasket went. The cost of the gasket was less than a fiver, but took 5 hours of my own spannering to fettle. This would otherwise have added a few hundred pounds to garage bills.

One day it wouldn't start - two fuel pump relays sorted that one out.



Littletidnock

328 posts

221 months

Monday 14th July 2008
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What I would do if you only want to own the car for a year and assuming you do not do a big mileage

Buy one at the right price, that has all the desirability criteria to buy and then re-sell, buy one that has just had a 12,000 service, good tyres and long MOT. Run it for a year, don't service it, don't buy it any toys and drive sensibly.

If you do that, pound for pound I cannot think of any car that will give such low cost credible motoring/fun . If you bought a face lift model for £8-10,000 my guess is you would motor for £2/2500 for the year plus fuel and other.

Edited by Littletidnock on Monday 14th July 10:58

Zippee

14,148 posts

265 months

Monday 14th July 2008
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My running costs are detailed on my cars blog on my profile.
Mine will also be up for sale end of August, it's a 97 facelift 400 with 60k on the clock, just had a 12k service 400 mile ago along with MOT, new tyres, recent clutch etc. very solid chassis and IMHO is a stunning colour inside & out.
Only let me down twice in 3 1/2 years and 30'000 miles - once with a broken clutch and next with a failed 100amp fuse (96p to replace).
Should you still be looking around that time and want to know more then PM me.

Edited by Zippee on Monday 14th July 11:28

MrE

70 posts

231 months

Monday 14th July 2008
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It sounds like you're in the same position I was in last year.

I knew then that owning a TVR was only going to be a realistic option for 12-18 months (2 years max) and I was just desperate to get one and enjoy all the thrills of owning such a great car.

I found myself a really low mileage 1999 4.0 last september. Since then, i've had a pretty faultless ownership experience, a couple of minor niggles i.e. a linkage in the throttle broke which was a dead cheap and easy repair, and i've just replaced the otter switch to cure a problem with the fans switching on inappropriately.

Key to owning cars like these for a short period is to make sure that you look after them and to keep up to date on servicing etc. So for me, its cost £400 in servicing, and probably £150 total to get a couple of small things done, new oil etc etc. I'm looking to sell mine on at the moment and I'm pretty confident I'll get something similar (although obviously less) to what I paid last year (PM me if you're interested).

I'd say go for it but keep in mind that you'll need to maintain it to ensure that you get a decent re-sale. Make sure you view a good number of them and enjoy it whilst it lasts!! Happy hunting!

Edited by MrE on Monday 14th July 18:02

Timja

1,955 posts

240 months

Monday 14th July 2008
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Gridley123 said:
Hi there,
I have recently fallen in love with the idea of owning a Chimaera; however, I currently plan to own it for a year, as a change of circumstances then will mean I will have to buy a property!

As a newcomer to both TVRs and performance motoring in general, I wonder if a Chimaera owner could give me a realistic approximation of running costs including servicing, maintenance and depreciation over a year. I plan to try and find myself a good example under £12,000.

I am aware that no figures are set in stone and TVR ownership is not the most predictable of expenditures, but a good figure to hang my hat on would be very useful!
How many miles do you plan on doing in the year? Servicing (every 6000 miles) at a TVR specialist will be about £350-£550 depending on what you have done, then allow another £1-2k for if things go a bit wrong! I've probably spent about £3k on mine in the last year (£500 of that i knew needed going when i bought it, then had a few things that needed doing)

ETA: I have covered about 10,000 miles in the past year.

Edited by Timja on Monday 14th July 22:49

Ribol

11,995 posts

289 months

Monday 14th July 2008
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Littletidnock said:
What I would do if you only want to own the car for a year and assuming you do not do a big mileage

Buy one at the right price, that has all the desirability criteria to buy and then re-sell, buy one that has just had a 12,000 service, good tyres and long MOT. Run it for a year, don't service it, don't buy it any toys and drive sensibly.
So if you were buying that car you wouldn't notice it needs a big service, MOT, tyres etc etc ??

Fat Boy Chim

584 posts

253 months

Monday 14th July 2008
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I got mine 3 years ago next month, 4ltr M plate, at the time Budgeted myself £12k, looked at a few, returned to the 1st one i looked at and paid £8k for it, purely because, although untidy, it looked original (no respray, repairs etc)!!!!

In the past 3 years have spent in region on £3k on services, minor repairs (broken clutch fork, wheel bearings) and general personal improvements.

Speaking personally, the TVR reputation has not been that bad to me so...

my advice? GO FOR IT, YOU WON'T REGRET IT!!!!!!!!!

Ribol

11,995 posts

289 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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TVR Moneypit said:
Over a 16 month period and 7000 miles, excluding fuel and road tax, I stopped counting when it got to five figures. Still another 15k to go I reckon.
yikes
Not trying to rub salt into your wounds but are you saying you will have spent £25k on a Chim in 2 years odd?

MJW1977

146 posts

233 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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Ribol said:
Littletidnock said:
What I would do if you only want to own the car for a year and assuming you do not do a big mileage

Buy one at the right price, that has all the desirability criteria to buy and then re-sell, buy one that has just had a 12,000 service, good tyres and long MOT. Run it for a year, don't service it, don't buy it any toys and drive sensibly.
So if you were buying that car you wouldn't notice it needs a big service, MOT, tyres etc etc ??
This is exactly what I did, the only thing is cost me apart from fuel/insurance was £1500 in depreciation - but then I bought it from a main dealer so paid a premium. I sold it after 11 months/5k miles so didn't have to service it, tax or MOT it and it never went wrong when I owned it. On this basis, if I'd bought privately I could maybe have broken even/made a small profit!!

I got a Tuscan now, but if I ever bought another Chim it would be privately - there are not many cars that genuinely offer the potential for "free" motorning, least of all ones that are so much fun as a Chim. Best of all there is plenty of choice so you can hold on for the right one.


Ribol

11,995 posts

289 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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MJW1977 said:
Ribol said:
Littletidnock said:
What I would do if you only want to own the car for a year and assuming you do not do a big mileage

Buy one at the right price, that has all the desirability criteria to buy and then re-sell, buy one that has just had a 12,000 service, good tyres and long MOT. Run it for a year, don't service it, don't buy it any toys and drive sensibly.
So if you were buying that car you wouldn't notice it needs a big service, MOT, tyres etc etc ??
This is exactly what I did, the only thing is cost me apart from fuel/insurance was £1500 in depreciation - but then I bought it from a main dealer so paid a premium. I sold it after 11 months/5k miles so didn't have to service it, tax or MOT it and it never went wrong when I owned it. On this basis, if I'd bought privately I could maybe have broken even/made a small profit!!
If you bought from a dealer at retail with no p/ex involved, ran it a year, spent nothing on it and sold it privately for £1500 less then you did very well.

Littletidnock

328 posts

221 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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Ribol said:
Littletidnock said:
What I would do if you only want to own the car for a year and assuming you do not do a big mileage

Buy one at the right price, that has all the desirability criteria to buy and then re-sell, buy one that has just had a 12,000 service, good tyres and long MOT. Run it for a year, don't service it, don't buy it any toys and drive sensibly.
So if you were buying that car you wouldn't notice it needs a big service, MOT, tyres etc etc ??
Obviously I would, perhaps you are missing the point, you do not get back every pound you spend on a car, we are trying to advise someone on how to run a Chimaera on low running costs for the year.

Incidentally I bought my car, due a 12,000 mile service, MOT and new carpets,

Ribol

11,995 posts

289 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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Littletidnock said:
Incidentally I bought my car, due a 12,000 mile service, MOT and new carpets,
I notice from another thread you started this is your first TVR and you have had it a month.

Isn't it early days in your ownership to be advising others on the economics of running these cars?

MJW1977

146 posts

233 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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Ribol said:
MJW1977 said:
Ribol said:
Littletidnock said:
What I would do if you only want to own the car for a year and assuming you do not do a big mileage

Buy one at the right price, that has all the desirability criteria to buy and then re-sell, buy one that has just had a 12,000 service, good tyres and long MOT. Run it for a year, don't service it, don't buy it any toys and drive sensibly.
So if you were buying that car you wouldn't notice it needs a big service, MOT, tyres etc etc ??
This is exactly what I did, the only thing is cost me apart from fuel/insurance was £1500 in depreciation - but then I bought it from a main dealer so paid a premium. I sold it after 11 months/5k miles so didn't have to service it, tax or MOT it and it never went wrong when I owned it. On this basis, if I'd bought privately I could maybe have broken even/made a small profit!!
If you bought from a dealer at retail with no p/ex involved, ran it a year, spent nothing on it and sold it privately for £1500 less then you did very well.
Sometimes you just get lucky I guess - had the Tuscan for a month and just had to book it in for some niggles to be fixed, probably gonna cost £3-400! Luck of the draw I guess, but goes to show it can be done.

nia198

115 posts

227 months

Tuesday 15th July 2008
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You may also want to work out what your insurance would be. If you haven't ever driven anything big-engined before it can be quite a whack the first year, even if yo have good history in ordinary cars. If you're only going to own it for a year you wont benefit from the cheaper premium next time. If you find this, it may be cheaper to insure it on a very limited milage and then push the mileage up once you've done most f it. I found this more cost effective at the start, as the "this guy is going to crash the first time he gets in the car" factor soon wears off with the insurance co after a few 100 miles and when you come to increase the mileage, the fee is pleasantly surprising...

Nick

Littletidnock

328 posts

221 months

Wednesday 16th July 2008
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Ribol said:
Littletidnock said:
Incidentally I bought my car, due a 12,000 mile service, MOT and new carpets,
I notice from another thread you started this is your first TVR and you have had it a month.

Isn't it early days in your ownership to be advising others on the economics of running these cars?
Might be, might be not, you know nothing about me or what I have done, What are your thoughts on this issue/topic??
Lets have your opinion on the topic not your opinion of my opinion

Edited by Littletidnock on Wednesday 16th July 08:57