PAS or not PAS
Discussion
Hi all, I dunno what you all think but I reckon I could corner a lot better if I had some idea what the front wheels were doing. With the PAS setup I've got on my 400 it feels quite remote and I dont feel that connected with the info the front wheels are giving. So , does anyone out there have a non PAS car and if so have any comparisons been done. I know there'll be the obvious slow speed / parking issues but I think maybe I'd trade that for a more responsive feel to the car . Your collective thoughts would be appreciated.
Cheers , Nick.............
Cheers , Nick.............
Mrs H does struggle a bit with the parking etc on the Chim, but I don't find it too bad. On the move it is very light (feels lighter than some other Make PAS cars) and you do get very good feedback.
TBH there are some days when I would prefer PAS - LMK if you want to swap bits !
Cheers,
Matt.
TBH there are some days when I would prefer PAS - LMK if you want to swap bits !
Cheers,
Matt.
Edited by M@H on Friday 14th November 12:52
I agree with Lewis, the non-PAS is not too difficult to use, but then I grew up with a Mk2 Escort with Quick Rack, so remember most of the tricks like only turn when moving.
I did try a PAS car from the same trader, and found that it was far too jittery over the bumpy local roads for my liking, so went for the non-PAS car he had instead. It fitted my ideals much better.
Alan
I did try a PAS car from the same trader, and found that it was far too jittery over the bumpy local roads for my liking, so went for the non-PAS car he had instead. It fitted my ideals much better.
Alan
Could it be that my setup is pants? ie Pump or rack a little tired ? All the same , I know what my other cars have felt like without PAS, My old Triumph Vitesse convertible (with suspension mods) gives me shed loads of fun nuancing every last bit of grip in corners , because I can 'feel' what is happening, but dare I say with the Chim I'm pretty clueless . You set it up for the corner , and pretty much 'hope' its all going to happen . I'm sure that these cars will corner better than I've managed so far 'and |I dont profess to being a racing driver' so maybe a PAS to non PAS conversion is the answer , for me anyway. Is that possible?
Your thoughts . Nick................
Your thoughts . Nick................
f@-pots said:
Could it be that my setup is pants? ie Pump or rack a little tired ? All the same , I know what my other cars have felt like without PAS, My old Triumph Vitesse convertible (with suspension mods) gives me shed loads of fun nuancing every last bit of grip in corners , because I can 'feel' what is happening, but dare I say with the Chim I'm pretty clueless . You set it up for the corner , and pretty much 'hope' its all going to happen . I'm sure that these cars will corner better than I've managed so far 'and |I dont profess to being a racing driver' so maybe a PAS to non PAS conversion is the answer , for me anyway. Is that possible?
Your thoughts . Nick................
....Your thoughts . Nick................
I would say you need to look else where cus mine has pas and it locks in to corners superb, with no vagueness at all.
as i feel you have a better feel IYSWIM.
Make sure everything else is right before removing the PAS.
The control for the PAS is done within the PAS pump. The improvement when I replaced my pump was staggering.
The tyre sizes differed between cars with/without PAS. Have you got the right sizes.
When I bought mine someone had fitted the smaller non PAS size tyres.
Tyre pressure can make a difference too. Either can make it feel over assisted.
The control for the PAS is done within the PAS pump. The improvement when I replaced my pump was staggering.
The tyre sizes differed between cars with/without PAS. Have you got the right sizes.
When I bought mine someone had fitted the smaller non PAS size tyres.
Tyre pressure can make a difference too. Either can make it feel over assisted.
, maybe I should try a recon pump before I go down the 'de-PAS ' route, its gotta be cheaper than buying a new rack! 
I have PAS and so does my brother driven both cars back to back and they behave the same,i find it gives plenty of feedback..........but as Pasco said non-PAS gives more feedback(that includes most cars)ideal for track days etc,me personally think the PAS makes the car feel that bit more refined for road use 
Edited by That Daddy on Saturday 15th November 15:01
Ive had one with and one without. Going forward I would choose PAS as I cant see much of a downside. Steering feel is fine with both and Id trade a smidge of perceived additional feedback at speed for the day to day convenience of PAS.
I dont think it is major deal however. A Chim is great either way.
I dont think it is major deal however. A Chim is great either way.
I have non-PAS and love it. I find PAS a little skittish but I reckon it is more to do with the quicker rack than the PAS. There is an advantage to PAS in a Chim and that's the choice of wider tyres at the front. However, I like the setup as is. There's a bit of initial understeer but it's no problem to slide the back out. But try both back to back and then make your own decision.
I wouldn’t bother trying to recondition the pump.
TVR Power bought a job lot a while ago. They’re brand new, but priced lower than anywhere else I could find. At the price it’s not worth messing around with reconditioning.
There’s nothing wrong with PAS if everything else is right. If your steering is imprecise then something is wrong somewhere.
Ultimately there might be slightly more feel without the PAS, but you would need to be very good to exploit it. The original owner of my car was a much better driver than you, I or anyone else on here. He specified PAS. Had it been a disadvantage then I can’t see him having chosen it. As he owned a TVR dealership he had every opportunity to try both.
TVR Power bought a job lot a while ago. They’re brand new, but priced lower than anywhere else I could find. At the price it’s not worth messing around with reconditioning.
There’s nothing wrong with PAS if everything else is right. If your steering is imprecise then something is wrong somewhere.
Ultimately there might be slightly more feel without the PAS, but you would need to be very good to exploit it. The original owner of my car was a much better driver than you, I or anyone else on here. He specified PAS. Had it been a disadvantage then I can’t see him having chosen it. As he owned a TVR dealership he had every opportunity to try both.
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