head against brick wall....AAAARRRRGGGHHHHH
head against brick wall....AAAARRRRGGGHHHHH
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smudge660

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48 posts

208 months

Monday 7th February 2011
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Hey , i have this problem now for a good six months and still i cant find the fault.
The car will tick over fine and will run fine when cold/warm but as soon as it has been run for a while it will for a want of a word start to miss (well thats what it feels like) bring the car to a stop turn the engine off and back on again and will clear its self , then 5 mins later it will do it again , the thing is it doesn't do it like clock work it is very intermittent .

so far i have changed , fuel pump and filter , the ignition module and the coil, also changed the fuel relays and also leads and plugs

I have also changed the trumpets to the flared carbon ones and have done the smoothbore conversion from Act, the car is running a lot smoother on a whole pick is much smoother but the above problem still exists .

i have found out the vacuum off the dizzy is not holding pressure so gunna change that , and forgot to change the extensions for the plugs. after this i'm lost.

cheers lee

gavgavgav

1,569 posts

260 months

Monday 7th February 2011
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Have yo already covered some of the checks like AFM plug, ECU plug and earth strap from the chassis to engine (drivers wheel well)?

dog man

552 posts

233 months

Monday 7th February 2011
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Stepper motor, dist cap and arm could all be at fault. The trouble with such a fault as you may well know (and trying to offer help without hearing it) is you just have to work through it methodically and hopefully it doesn't cost a fortune to diagnose.

Sounds like you need to concentrate on the various bits controlling the idle mixture - Lambda sensors, fuel temp sensor, air intake temp sensor (if these have one?) even engine coolant temp sensor. Also vacuum leaks especially from the inlet manifold might be to blame. Squirt some Wd40 or even just water into the area where the inlet meets the heads and see if the idle changes, if it does there's your answer.

deeen

6,413 posts

276 months

Monday 7th February 2011
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Mine had break inside one of the low tension wires that flap about above the ignition system - i.e. copper core broken, but plastic insulation intact so you couldn't see problem.

debaron

878 posts

228 months

Monday 7th February 2011
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Lee - Just to clarify does it miss just on idle or miss generally all the way up the rev range? It's unclear from your post whether this is an idle problem or general running problem.

Ryan

smudge660

Original Poster:

48 posts

208 months

Monday 7th February 2011
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Hi ryan, it is fine on ticking over , its fine on driving when cold/warm , just seems after it is getting hot the problem happens and it will kick in for no reason what so ever , down the motorway doing 80 it will just kick in ,loss of power and feels and sounds like it is missing etc, but it will do it round town , down country lanes , but every time stop , turn off and back on again and its clear .....STRANGE

SILICONE KID

14,997 posts

262 months

Monday 7th February 2011
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The coil is breaking down when it gets hot!i know its a different car but i had that same problem on my old MG RV8 (14CUX) same setup and a bloody good car!

roysum

961 posts

220 months

Monday 7th February 2011
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SILICONE KID said:
The coil is breaking down when it gets hot!i know its a different car but i had that same problem on my old MG RV8 (14CUX) same setup and a bloody good car!
The OP has changed that Daz, could possibly be the old Lucas ignition system eh ! wink

smudge660

Original Poster:

48 posts

208 months

Monday 7th February 2011
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Hey Daz, i have changed the coil same time i did the ignition module, its driving me nuts .......just mot'ed it today flew threw , ticked over nicely drove it away and there it was again , stopped at the shop so must of been stood for 30 mins or so and it was fine , drove to the petrol station 6 mile ran sweet , put fuel in it and there it was again except this time it cut out all together and the primer just kept going as if there was no pressure in the pre stat , left for 2 mins and fine again .


on a separate note cheers for the heads up on Hans !! top bloke sorting me out my new brake kit smile)

myph

68 posts

202 months

Tuesday 8th February 2011
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Have you tried looking in the dark with the engine running to see if there is any break in the HT leads.

SILICONE KID

14,997 posts

262 months

Tuesday 8th February 2011
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He is in the dark confused

Kitchski

6,552 posts

262 months

Tuesday 8th February 2011
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TPS?

The Red Baron

300 posts

214 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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Seeing as we're in the dark - here's a wild stab...

Could it be a problem with the fuel system? It's possible you are getting pockets of fuel vapour in the fuel supply line.

If, for some reason the fuel supply is getting hot it might vapourise in the fuel lines causing bubbles to form, which the engine can't use. The fact that this is happening only when the engine is hot makes me wonder. Especially after you've changed most of the ignition system.
You mentioned that you can hear the fuel pump priming when it happens. I don't know the system very well, but it seems to me the system gets primed to give some initial pressure in the fuel system prior to start. If the fuel pressure drops because of the vapour bubbles, it's possible the pump detects the low pressure and kicks in to bring the pressure up again.

Having said that, it could also be a breakdown of the resistance of some electrical component due to the heat. (Resistance decreases as temp increases), again this is why you're only seeing the problem when it's hot. Did you say you'd changed the HT leads and plug extenders?

Hope you find the problem.

spend

12,581 posts

282 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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Wiring twixt ignition module & coil has been known to break down causing similar 'hot' problems IIRC.

Benjman

239 posts

197 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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Have you checked the hose from the tank to the fuel pump? When the hose gets old it can 'collapse' due to the pump sucking the fuel and cut the fuel supply. It will get worse with a full tank, so could fit to your symptoms. Hope this helps.
Good luck finding the reason.

scotty_d

6,795 posts

225 months

Wednesday 9th February 2011
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AFM or throttle pot?