Global Warming
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Rabowman I tell you what: When I drive my Chimaera 500 I sometimes think about global warming and the consequences, and I can feel the conflict between having fun and being responsible. I use public transportation (trains, buses) whenever it is possible, and do no more than 7000 miles per year with the Chimaera.
You may laugh about this, but I can tell you that I would be very ashamed if somebody considered me as somebody of your bunch.
You may laugh about this, but I can tell you that I would be very ashamed if somebody considered me as somebody of your bunch.
rfein said:
Rabowman I tell you what: When I drive my Chimaera 500 I sometimes think about global warming and the consequences, and I can feel the conflict between having fun and being responsible. I use public transportation (trains, buses) whenever it is possible, and do no more than 7000 miles per year with the Chimaera.
You may laugh about this, but I can tell you that I would be very ashamed if somebody considered me as somebody of your bunch.
You should never feel guilty for driving your TVR, never. It has such an immeasurable effect that it is not worthy of consideration, especially when compared to the CO2 produced constructing and erecting worthless windmill farms, heavy particulates emitted from public transport, the horrendous waste caused by producing batteries for Hybrids and the fact that, as yet, no one anywhere has been able to determine any causality between humans, CO2 in the atmosphere and any accelerated global warming. So chill You may laugh about this, but I can tell you that I would be very ashamed if somebody considered me as somebody of your bunch.
rfein said:
Rabowman I tell you what: When I drive my Chimaera 500 I sometimes think about global warming and the consequences, and I can feel the conflict between having fun and being responsible. I use public transportation (trains, buses) whenever it is possible, and do no more than 7000 miles per year with the Chimaera.
You may laugh about this, but I can tell you that I would be very ashamed if somebody considered me as somebody of your bunch.
I think it's a massive shame that you've been made to feel that way.You may laugh about this, but I can tell you that I would be very ashamed if somebody considered me as somebody of your bunch.
There are zillions of arguments about climate change and I'm not going into them here but suffice to say that even a few more miles of enjoyment on a sunny day in a car you love isn't irresponsible in the larger scheme of things.
rfein said:
Rabowman I tell you what: When I drive my Chimaera 500 I sometimes think about global warming and the consequences, and I can feel the conflict between having fun and being responsible. I use public transportation (trains, buses) whenever it is possible, and do no more than 7000 miles per year with the Chimaera.
You may laugh about this, but I can tell you that I would be very ashamed if somebody considered me as somebody of your bunch.
You need to sell it and buy a Pious, and a pair of sandals to wear whilst driving it.You may laugh about this, but I can tell you that I would be very ashamed if somebody considered me as somebody of your bunch.
rfein said:
I can feel the conflict between having fun and being responsible.
Kind of with you on this point - Love the chim but do get a lot of ribbing from mates as they know I'm as eco as pos in all other areas in my life. Sad reality is that big oil companies probably wont stop until every drop is burned anyway. I was thinking the other day what's going to happen when petrol hits about a million £££ a litre - in about 12 months at this rate
- Hard to imagine it, but someone one day will be the first to make an electric powered Chim.Pacman1972 said:
Kind of with you on this point - Love the chim but do get a lot of ribbing from mates as they know I'm as eco as pos in all other areas in my life. Sad reality is that big oil companies probably wont stop until every drop is burned anyway.
I was thinking the other day what's going to happen when petrol hits about a million £££ a litre - in about 12 months at this rate - Hard to imagine it, but someone one day will be the first to make an electric powered Chim.
yep, but where will the batteries come from, and where will the materials for the batteries be mined and refined? You do realise that there is absolutely no connection between humans and global climate data? Well, apart from one aspect - the fabricated, massaged and manipulated data. You've been had. I was thinking the other day what's going to happen when petrol hits about a million £££ a litre - in about 12 months at this rate
- Hard to imagine it, but someone one day will be the first to make an electric powered Chim.Diderot said:
yep, but where will the batteries come from, and where will the materials for the batteries be mined and refined? You do realise that there is absolutely no connection between humans and global climate data? Well, apart from one aspect - the fabricated, massaged and manipulated data. You've been had.
+1 
Diderod and V8GRF,
I am afraid you are the ones who have been had, by interested lobbies.
And also: With TVR's it is like with women (see thread elsewhere):
There are those who only think of their own fun, and then there are those who are smart enough to have even more fun from giving fun to the other side.
It is nice to have fun and being responsible at the same time, but these things are probably beyond your horizon and too complicated for you "quick boys".
Happy Easter!
I am afraid you are the ones who have been had, by interested lobbies.
And also: With TVR's it is like with women (see thread elsewhere):
There are those who only think of their own fun, and then there are those who are smart enough to have even more fun from giving fun to the other side.
It is nice to have fun and being responsible at the same time, but these things are probably beyond your horizon and too complicated for you "quick boys".
Happy Easter!
I just knew this recent warm weather would start off the global warming issue, just find it hard to understand why I am targeted as anti social because I have a fast noisy and dirty performance car.
Yes it is true, my car is all of the above and more, and is so fuel inefficient it could probably power the car behind from what comes out of my exhaust, but I will not take criticism from my neighbour.
IMHO the fact that I am enjoying myself with a huge grin when taking to this countries overcrowded roads seems to evoke negative comment which is justified with the belief that my car is poisoning the planet, is not safe and driven by a maniac.
I take real offence to this accusation from the very people who are the root cause of today's pollution problem consumerism.
IF EVEYONE ON THE PLANET OWNED A TVR, GLOBAL WARMING WOULD BE LESS.
In explanation, to design, manufacture and deliver your next new car, its carbon footprint will already be larger than the vehicles pollution over the next 15 years.
A lot of TVR,s seen on the roads are more than 10 years old, many 15 or more.
Because I love my TVR and the price of fuel, I do not use it on short journeys to commute or shop
As an enthusiast I have a genuine interest in driving, and do not just potter about in a protected bubble with my mind on the next purchase
Yes it is true, my car is all of the above and more, and is so fuel inefficient it could probably power the car behind from what comes out of my exhaust, but I will not take criticism from my neighbour.
IMHO the fact that I am enjoying myself with a huge grin when taking to this countries overcrowded roads seems to evoke negative comment which is justified with the belief that my car is poisoning the planet, is not safe and driven by a maniac.
I take real offence to this accusation from the very people who are the root cause of today's pollution problem consumerism.
IF EVEYONE ON THE PLANET OWNED A TVR, GLOBAL WARMING WOULD BE LESS.
In explanation, to design, manufacture and deliver your next new car, its carbon footprint will already be larger than the vehicles pollution over the next 15 years.
A lot of TVR,s seen on the roads are more than 10 years old, many 15 or more.
Because I love my TVR and the price of fuel, I do not use it on short journeys to commute or shop
As an enthusiast I have a genuine interest in driving, and do not just potter about in a protected bubble with my mind on the next purchase
rfein said:
Diderod and V8GRF,
I am afraid you are the ones who have been had, by interested lobbies.
And also: With TVR's it is like with women (see thread elsewhere):
There are those who only think of their own fun, and then there are those who are smart enough to have even more fun from giving fun to the other side.
It is nice to have fun and being responsible at the same time, but these things are probably beyond your horizon and too complicated for you "quick boys".
Happy Easter!
Somehow I expected that response. I am afraid you are the ones who have been had, by interested lobbies.
And also: With TVR's it is like with women (see thread elsewhere):
There are those who only think of their own fun, and then there are those who are smart enough to have even more fun from giving fun to the other side.
It is nice to have fun and being responsible at the same time, but these things are probably beyond your horizon and too complicated for you "quick boys".
Happy Easter!
You're wrong, no evidence, no debate, just a quick "too complicated for you to understand" insult.
Enjoy your hair shirt mate.
it makes me wonder what makes humans so arrogant that they think they can affect the climate of a planet to such an extent!!!!
At the same time I do walk and or cycle short journies and have a diesel A4 for my 32 mile commute (each way/day)
I would like to know why the motor industry is not making diesel/hybrids rather than petrol - surly they would give more mpg - however I suspect it is to prolong the petrol engine.
At the same time I do walk and or cycle short journies and have a diesel A4 for my 32 mile commute (each way/day)
I would like to know why the motor industry is not making diesel/hybrids rather than petrol - surly they would give more mpg - however I suspect it is to prolong the petrol engine.
rfein said:
Rabowman I tell you what: When I drive my Chimaera 500 I sometimes think about global warming and the consequences, and I can feel the conflict between having fun and being responsible. I use public transportation (trains, buses) whenever it is possible, and do no more than 7000 miles per year with the Chimaera.
You may laugh about this, but I can tell you that I would be very ashamed if somebody considered me as somebody of your bunch.
so if i drive my Chimaera for no more than 3500 miles a year without caring about the environment, does that make me twice as good as you? are you complaining about someone driving a TVR and not caring about the environment, or are you complaining about the not caring part? i think you are totally hypocritical as are all people that preach but dont do. You may laugh about this, but I can tell you that I would be very ashamed if somebody considered me as somebody of your bunch.
I think Rabowman was saying that driving his Chimaera on the few times the sun comes out makes him forget about everything except siezing the day, he probably has spent a lot of time and money waiting for these few days that are few and far between. as you do not know anything else about him i think your comment was unfair and uneducated IMHO
i work most days from 430am and get home at 630, i have 2 weekends off in 3, and the chances to drive in my Chimaera in the sunshine are few and far between
Lester
just about to go out in mine :-)
Edited by lestershaw on Sunday 24th April 11:05
I have to say that two of my favourite "films" are "An Inconvenient Truth" and "The Great Global Warming Swindle" ... love sticking them on back-to-back for people and watching their reaction.
IMO we (as a species) are incredibly wasteful of physical resources, we dump far too much in landfills and live in a disposable culture where products are made to have a finite life by being unmaintainable / irreparable after a quite short period of time and we should definitely do something about that (I work for a HiFi company where we still repair and service our own products that are in excess of 30 years old and are still going strong)...
... *BUT* ...
... as far as the whole "we are killing the climate" thing is concerned I'm firmly of the opinion that it is complete and utter donkeyw*nk - it's all down to perspectives and (I'm sad to say) misdirection. The politicians are jumping on the Eco bandwagon because it makes them look like they're caring individuals but the timescales that their projects will take to show results in either direction are such that they will never actually have to be responsible for the outcomes. The energy supply companies are keen to get us to save energy because it means that they can hoik up their prices (Ok - I do agree that generating energy is getting more expensive as fuel costs increase) but by getting the end user to cut down their usage they can maintain income with higher prices whilst at the same time having less work to do in bolstering infrastructures to supply increasing demand because the rate of increase in demand is being countered by the desire to "go green".
Renewable energy sources are pretty complete rubbish - the lovely big wind turbine just off the M4 at Reading was a gorgeous still life study the other day - so unless you want the planet scattered with enough wind turbines to allow for 1/2 to 3/4 of them to be stationary or running too slow to produce useful power at any one time or are happy to have just CFL lights on at night (hateful things) and only be able boil a kettle when it's windy outside then I'm afraid you're a bit screwed.
I personally think that too many people are jumping on the Eco argument and getting vocal about it because it gives them a soapbox to sound like they're saying and doing something important and vital to the survival of the human race but IMO it just gives them a reason to ignore stuff that they could be usefully doing something about!
So - I look forward to the day when fuel is £2 a litre and the value of big V8 grumbly motors has dipped to nil because I'll then have one for each day of the week and live in a cardboard box ... now, let me go find a holier-than-thou eco-puppet in a Prius that I can drive alongside like an automotive ying-and-yang...
Phil
IMO we (as a species) are incredibly wasteful of physical resources, we dump far too much in landfills and live in a disposable culture where products are made to have a finite life by being unmaintainable / irreparable after a quite short period of time and we should definitely do something about that (I work for a HiFi company where we still repair and service our own products that are in excess of 30 years old and are still going strong)...
... *BUT* ...
... as far as the whole "we are killing the climate" thing is concerned I'm firmly of the opinion that it is complete and utter donkeyw*nk - it's all down to perspectives and (I'm sad to say) misdirection. The politicians are jumping on the Eco bandwagon because it makes them look like they're caring individuals but the timescales that their projects will take to show results in either direction are such that they will never actually have to be responsible for the outcomes. The energy supply companies are keen to get us to save energy because it means that they can hoik up their prices (Ok - I do agree that generating energy is getting more expensive as fuel costs increase) but by getting the end user to cut down their usage they can maintain income with higher prices whilst at the same time having less work to do in bolstering infrastructures to supply increasing demand because the rate of increase in demand is being countered by the desire to "go green".
Renewable energy sources are pretty complete rubbish - the lovely big wind turbine just off the M4 at Reading was a gorgeous still life study the other day - so unless you want the planet scattered with enough wind turbines to allow for 1/2 to 3/4 of them to be stationary or running too slow to produce useful power at any one time or are happy to have just CFL lights on at night (hateful things) and only be able boil a kettle when it's windy outside then I'm afraid you're a bit screwed.
I personally think that too many people are jumping on the Eco argument and getting vocal about it because it gives them a soapbox to sound like they're saying and doing something important and vital to the survival of the human race but IMO it just gives them a reason to ignore stuff that they could be usefully doing something about!
So - I look forward to the day when fuel is £2 a litre and the value of big V8 grumbly motors has dipped to nil because I'll then have one for each day of the week and live in a cardboard box ... now, let me go find a holier-than-thou eco-puppet in a Prius that I can drive alongside like an automotive ying-and-yang...
Phil
Barkychoc said:
I can't see what all the fuss is about, like others I'm on a low mileage policy, I pay my dues and its all perfectly legal
I'm not on a low milage policy and do about 18,000 miles a year in mine... 
Barkychoc said:
I am not breaking any laws.
I'm not either...(... well, not *RIGHT* now...
)Barkychoc said:
If I stopped driving the Tiv do you think it will save the planet?
No - it'll just feel like it's lasting longer... Phil
Read with interest about this thread and have a train of thought,
There is more methane produced by farting cows.
We are chopping all the tresses down that give us oxygen.
Why should Britain have to comply with all the EU emissions when the rest of the world could not give a ‘monkeys chuff’, agreed it is the government just screwing the every day man.
All the tree huggers that say we should have electric cars, two questions,
Batteries where do the come from – the earth,
Electricity how do we generate it Coal, Nuclear take your pick, if it is none of these then lets all live in mud huts and use a horse and cart, the wife will not be happy she will have no dishwasher, no Sky for the kids etc..
Plus when you hippies go back packing what form of transport do you rely on??
When Man lived in a cave (there are still some monkey shirts around) the world was plunged into an ice age, so what caused that, lack of mammoth farts to warm up the world …But man and the planet are still here..
Long live - speed, power, V8s, fish and chips, pints of beer, days at the sea side, everything that is dear to the Anglo-Saxon English heart
I step off the soap box
There is more methane produced by farting cows.
We are chopping all the tresses down that give us oxygen.
Why should Britain have to comply with all the EU emissions when the rest of the world could not give a ‘monkeys chuff’, agreed it is the government just screwing the every day man.
All the tree huggers that say we should have electric cars, two questions,
Batteries where do the come from – the earth,
Electricity how do we generate it Coal, Nuclear take your pick, if it is none of these then lets all live in mud huts and use a horse and cart, the wife will not be happy she will have no dishwasher, no Sky for the kids etc..
Plus when you hippies go back packing what form of transport do you rely on??
When Man lived in a cave (there are still some monkey shirts around) the world was plunged into an ice age, so what caused that, lack of mammoth farts to warm up the world …But man and the planet are still here..
Long live - speed, power, V8s, fish and chips, pints of beer, days at the sea side, everything that is dear to the Anglo-Saxon English heart
I step off the soap box
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