X type info required.
Discussion
Hello, some people may have seen my thread in GG but I wanted to touch upon the specifics of the X type here to better my view of the car.
I am/will be looking for an AWD saloon/estate next year and the X type is on my list of options.
It will eventually sit along side a classic car (when I get round to buying one or what I'll get even I don't know - and it's a subject for another thread.)
I want an automatic and would be looking at the 3.0L V6 petrol.
Do all the 3.0L V6's have the AWD drive system? Or what about the 2.5 V6 petrol?
Is the AWD system good compared to rivals like Audi?
Any more pointers on the car would be welcome.
I am/will be looking for an AWD saloon/estate next year and the X type is on my list of options.
It will eventually sit along side a classic car (when I get round to buying one or what I'll get even I don't know - and it's a subject for another thread.)
I want an automatic and would be looking at the 3.0L V6 petrol.
Do all the 3.0L V6's have the AWD drive system? Or what about the 2.5 V6 petrol?
Is the AWD system good compared to rivals like Audi?
Any more pointers on the car would be welcome.
some Audi driver will be along in a minute to tell you that it shared its floorplan with the Mondeo, forgetting the fact that:
1) It doesnt but...
2) Their Audi does. With seat, skoda etc etc
The X-type has the rear suspension from the Mondeo, the front suspension strut tops...and thats it. Different wheelbase, track, width, length, and the AWD option not avaialbe on any Mondeo.
1) It doesnt but...
2) Their Audi does. With seat, skoda etc etc
The X-type has the rear suspension from the Mondeo, the front suspension strut tops...and thats it. Different wheelbase, track, width, length, and the AWD option not avaialbe on any Mondeo.
[quote=Thin White Duke]I am/will be looking for an AWD saloon/estate next year and the X type is on my list of options.
I'm on my 2nd X type both new to me(2003,2006) I've had 2.5 Sport saloons on both occasions.
Do all the 3.0L V6's have the AWD drive system? Or what about the 2.5 V6 petrol?
All 3.0 & 2.5 are AWD
Is the AWD system good compared to rivals like Audi?
Upto 2004 MY the X AWD was fitted with a viscous coupling system, this was removed and most owners agree myself included the older cars seem to drive better in snow.
Any more pointers on the car would be welcome.
What can go wrong:-
1. Bushes, both my cars had bushes replaced at the rear at under 40k
2. propshaft whine, this is a known problem at certain speed the car emits a whine, Jaguar have in the past replaced my propshafts under warranty but still eventually the whine will come back.
3. Transfer box (The achilles heel) is a sealed for life unit(what is life?). Ask any jag specialist how many of these fail. A new jaguar transfer box is £1000 + 10 hours labour + oil sealants etc you won't see any change from £2k. Mileage is not an indicator my 1st jag 60k no problem, current 45k needed new transfer box. The transfer box oil cannot easily be renewed as the box only has a drain hole.
4. electric door locks, can get water in and start to play up, car will open itself or setoff alarm in the middle of the night, neighbours will love you.
5. Tyre wear can be excessive and its on the inner side of front tyres, regularily check tyres by full locking wheels to see inner wear. Jaguar tried toein and toeout on the camber but in 20k you can easily have smooth line on the inside where once there was tread.
X type AWD petrols are falling in value sharply at the moment, they carry large Road Fund Licence and you'll be lucky to get more than 26mpg, add to that parts are not cheap. The duratec engines 2.5 3.0 (same engine) I've never had a problem, its the drivetrain (transfer box, drive/prop shafts) and suspension that many owners have had problems.
The X type is like any modern car, I include the german makes, many parts are designed for life and sealed.
It's a good car, personally my 1st X type 2003 was more reliable and seemed better screwed together, my current 2006 is great on cross country roads and I love the interior(still solid after 5 years) but the mechanics underneath are failing on an increasing rate the car hasn't reached 50k, so would I buy a new one if they were still on sale YES, but probably a diesel 2.2 for the following reasons:-
1. Road Fund Licence
2. fuel 50mpg against 26 mpg
3. Simplified drive, diesel is FWD, no transfer box, no rear propshaft whine
4. Future sale, the diesel still has interest in the market and has a following, the AWD models even late model like mine (AWD only available until 2007 except 3.0 estate)are now in a price range < 6k that any major problem on the car could put it beyond economic repair.
I'm on my 2nd X type both new to me(2003,2006) I've had 2.5 Sport saloons on both occasions.
Do all the 3.0L V6's have the AWD drive system? Or what about the 2.5 V6 petrol?
All 3.0 & 2.5 are AWD
Is the AWD system good compared to rivals like Audi?
Upto 2004 MY the X AWD was fitted with a viscous coupling system, this was removed and most owners agree myself included the older cars seem to drive better in snow.
Any more pointers on the car would be welcome.
What can go wrong:-
1. Bushes, both my cars had bushes replaced at the rear at under 40k
2. propshaft whine, this is a known problem at certain speed the car emits a whine, Jaguar have in the past replaced my propshafts under warranty but still eventually the whine will come back.
3. Transfer box (The achilles heel) is a sealed for life unit(what is life?). Ask any jag specialist how many of these fail. A new jaguar transfer box is £1000 + 10 hours labour + oil sealants etc you won't see any change from £2k. Mileage is not an indicator my 1st jag 60k no problem, current 45k needed new transfer box. The transfer box oil cannot easily be renewed as the box only has a drain hole.
4. electric door locks, can get water in and start to play up, car will open itself or setoff alarm in the middle of the night, neighbours will love you.
5. Tyre wear can be excessive and its on the inner side of front tyres, regularily check tyres by full locking wheels to see inner wear. Jaguar tried toein and toeout on the camber but in 20k you can easily have smooth line on the inside where once there was tread.
X type AWD petrols are falling in value sharply at the moment, they carry large Road Fund Licence and you'll be lucky to get more than 26mpg, add to that parts are not cheap. The duratec engines 2.5 3.0 (same engine) I've never had a problem, its the drivetrain (transfer box, drive/prop shafts) and suspension that many owners have had problems.
The X type is like any modern car, I include the german makes, many parts are designed for life and sealed.
It's a good car, personally my 1st X type 2003 was more reliable and seemed better screwed together, my current 2006 is great on cross country roads and I love the interior(still solid after 5 years) but the mechanics underneath are failing on an increasing rate the car hasn't reached 50k, so would I buy a new one if they were still on sale YES, but probably a diesel 2.2 for the following reasons:-
1. Road Fund Licence
2. fuel 50mpg against 26 mpg
3. Simplified drive, diesel is FWD, no transfer box, no rear propshaft whine
4. Future sale, the diesel still has interest in the market and has a following, the AWD models even late model like mine (AWD only available until 2007 except 3.0 estate)are now in a price range < 6k that any major problem on the car could put it beyond economic repair.
williamp said:
some Audi driver will be along in a minute to tell you that it shared its floorplan with the Mondeo, forgetting the fact that:
1) It doesnt but...
2) Their Audi does. With seat, skoda etc etc
The X-type has the rear suspension from the Mondeo, the front suspension strut tops...and thats it. Different wheelbase, track, width, length, and the AWD option not avaialbe on any Mondeo.
Nor is the Duratec engine the same as the Mondeo...1) It doesnt but...
2) Their Audi does. With seat, skoda etc etc
The X-type has the rear suspension from the Mondeo, the front suspension strut tops...and thats it. Different wheelbase, track, width, length, and the AWD option not avaialbe on any Mondeo.
3.0 gives a happy 35-37mpg on a run. Expect low 20s in town.
Mine is on 67k and mechanically fine so far.
Build is good (2002MY), loads of spares on ebay.
Parts prices good, easy enough to work on.
Keeping an open ear for whines, had a specialist check mine out thoroughly recently (asked him to take it for a good drive while it was in for service), said it was fine and dandy
Love the car.
Mine is on 67k and mechanically fine so far.
Build is good (2002MY), loads of spares on ebay.
Parts prices good, easy enough to work on.
Keeping an open ear for whines, had a specialist check mine out thoroughly recently (asked him to take it for a good drive while it was in for service), said it was fine and dandy
Love the car.
Only 2 cents I have to add (coming from 10 or so Subarus prior to our cheap as dirt 05 X Type 2.5l manual (Americans don't like older Jags esp. ones with manual trannies). The transfer case oil is easy to change. Just need to come up with a system to add fluids in but not out (a 1 way check valve and a hand pump do the trick rather nicely (then you just put a plug fitting on the end when done). Can change mine in about 5 minutes and YOU SHOULD be changing it as I've seen what comes out after 90k on the odo. Not a whole lot of oil, lots of sludge and crude. As for the awd system. Unlike Subaru/Audis it is a very rear bias system (more similar to BMW then the FWD bias systems. It drives like a rwd car (i.e. in snow it likes to fish tail a bit). Once you get a sense of what it likes to do and the knuckles aren't white anymore it is a blast to drive nearly sideways down the snow covered road for miles. It works just fine for those who consider driving in snow is fun, not just a chore. So much more secure feeling then our XJR in the white stuff even on just all season tires.
Finally, there are some auto tranny issues as well, hence why I went with a stick but a low mileage that the fluid has been kept after which has matching, rotated tires shouldn't have a problem.
Finally, there are some auto tranny issues as well, hence why I went with a stick but a low mileage that the fluid has been kept after which has matching, rotated tires shouldn't have a problem.
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