S type as a daily car
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throwing this out there as ive never owned a Big cat, but always wanted to!
i am seriously looking to buy the 'new' shape S type, 2.7 Deisel as a daily car (drive approx 300 - 500m per week), most cars im looking at within my budget have mileage of between 80 - 100k (56 / 57 plate)
im in need of some advise what to look for (common or expensive faults) with these cars, and is that kind of mileage excessive for this engine?
also im being given figures of 40 mpg is this realistic?
Thanks in advance
Steve Willson
i am seriously looking to buy the 'new' shape S type, 2.7 Deisel as a daily car (drive approx 300 - 500m per week), most cars im looking at within my budget have mileage of between 80 - 100k (56 / 57 plate)
im in need of some advise what to look for (common or expensive faults) with these cars, and is that kind of mileage excessive for this engine?
also im being given figures of 40 mpg is this realistic?
Thanks in advance
Steve Willson
Can't help with specific 2.7D questions, but you'll certainly enjoy the smooth ride. 300-500 miles in one per week won't be a problem. Wouldn't be a problem in one sitting!
If it's an auto, look for history of autobox fluid/filter change. If it hasn't had one, get one done. Cambelts due at around 100k too.
If it's an auto, look for history of autobox fluid/filter change. If it hasn't had one, get one done. Cambelts due at around 100k too.
My dad's on his second S-type - he's been very-well served by them over the last 9-10years at a min 20K+ per year. Dad's run a 2.7D the last 5yrs and loves it (as do I) - punchy and yet very refined, an excellent match with the 6sp auto.
Yes 40mpg+ is realistic for average mix of use including A-road/motorway mix. At 73 Dad's starting to wonder what on earth he could replace it with - XF too wide for the garage door - and may well settle for keeping it for the forseeable. NB he's on his second S because he liked the first so much he bought the S 2.7D as a 'keeper' from the last month of production. As such it came utterly loaded with goodies...
No problems to date across the two except for an electric handbrake failure on the first.
There's some wider, informed commentary from others too on PH earlier this year in this thread that you should review:
http://pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Yes 40mpg+ is realistic for average mix of use including A-road/motorway mix. At 73 Dad's starting to wonder what on earth he could replace it with - XF too wide for the garage door - and may well settle for keeping it for the forseeable. NB he's on his second S because he liked the first so much he bought the S 2.7D as a 'keeper' from the last month of production. As such it came utterly loaded with goodies...
No problems to date across the two except for an electric handbrake failure on the first.
There's some wider, informed commentary from others too on PH earlier this year in this thread that you should review:
http://pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Edited by Huff on Wednesday 27th February 21:06
I've got a 3.0l petrol SE as my daily and it's a great place to be. I have a 130 mile commute on a Monday morning, 50/50 motorway/A-roads and I'm averaging about 26mpg (cruise control around 76mph on m/way, spirited on A-roads). In hindsight, I should probably have waited for a Sport model as I find the suspension a little on the soft side when pressing on, but I've come from a MkIV Supra, so everything is much more refined, lol.
I had to have the heater unit rewired & a new valve fitted just after I bought it. A common fault it appears; the valve sticks open and fries the circuit board in the ECU requiring re-soldering. Cost me just under £500 at an indy Jag specialist.
I had to have the heater unit rewired & a new valve fitted just after I bought it. A common fault it appears; the valve sticks open and fries the circuit board in the ECU requiring re-soldering. Cost me just under £500 at an indy Jag specialist.
S Type is an excellent under rated motor and for the miles you've got planned, it'll be a nice car to do it in.
Can't help with the Jaguar oil burner stuff as I've got a 4.2 but common issues are wishbones/bushes, dampers, gearbox flush and check ALL the electrics. Water in the spare wheel well can cause all kinds of fuss and they don't like old batteries.
However my RRS has the same 2.7 and now at 85k, has needed one EGR valve and that's it. Cambelt (2 of them) change due at 100,000 miles, seems to pull well even with 2 tonnes of Solihull metal on top!
Can't help with the Jaguar oil burner stuff as I've got a 4.2 but common issues are wishbones/bushes, dampers, gearbox flush and check ALL the electrics. Water in the spare wheel well can cause all kinds of fuss and they don't like old batteries.
However my RRS has the same 2.7 and now at 85k, has needed one EGR valve and that's it. Cambelt (2 of them) change due at 100,000 miles, seems to pull well even with 2 tonnes of Solihull metal on top!
Vast majority of expensive problems seems to be the automatic gearbox and torque converter. Mind gave up the ghost at 115k and cost £2000 to put right, and that's a very common story. Fuel economy is ok but not great as an auto, I averaged 32mpg over 50k odd miles and it never really managed more than 40mpg on a long motorway run. Later cars with the DPF are apparently 10% better on fuel.
It was a nice car and comfortable, but under bonnet access is f
king awful so every job becomes very expensive on labour.
If I were to get another diesel I'd get a manual, it removes the biggest common point of failure in the car. The car is much nicer to waft about it as an auto, but when you're talking about a car that is at least 6 years old now minimising the risk of a big bill writing it off becomes increasingly important.
You may also find it interesting to know that at just under three years old and 95k odd mine needed two new turbochargers under warranty. It also needed a new EGR valve at about 110k. I also had endless niggling problems, often made more expensive to resolve due to poor design or stty quality of fittings and fixings. For example at 5 years old the washer pump went, but to change it all the rusty fittings in the undertray had to be drilled out and replaced. As much as I liked the character of the car (although it's no X300 in that regard) the quality really does appear to be skin deep and I wouldn't buy another, although a 4.2 V8 with the facelift would tempt me sorely.
They should be very cheap as demand for them is apparently very low. You see massive markups from specialists and hopeful private sellers, but the S-Type has been a lame duck on the used market for a long time now. You may find it worth considering a V6 petrol as the lower purchase price and lower maintenance costs might offset the (not really that much) higher fuel consumption. Again available with a manual gearbox for risk mitigation.
It was a nice car and comfortable, but under bonnet access is f
king awful so every job becomes very expensive on labour. If I were to get another diesel I'd get a manual, it removes the biggest common point of failure in the car. The car is much nicer to waft about it as an auto, but when you're talking about a car that is at least 6 years old now minimising the risk of a big bill writing it off becomes increasingly important.
You may also find it interesting to know that at just under three years old and 95k odd mine needed two new turbochargers under warranty. It also needed a new EGR valve at about 110k. I also had endless niggling problems, often made more expensive to resolve due to poor design or s
tty quality of fittings and fixings. For example at 5 years old the washer pump went, but to change it all the rusty fittings in the undertray had to be drilled out and replaced. As much as I liked the character of the car (although it's no X300 in that regard) the quality really does appear to be skin deep and I wouldn't buy another, although a 4.2 V8 with the facelift would tempt me sorely. They should be very cheap as demand for them is apparently very low. You see massive markups from specialists and hopeful private sellers, but the S-Type has been a lame duck on the used market for a long time now. You may find it worth considering a V6 petrol as the lower purchase price and lower maintenance costs might offset the (not really that much) higher fuel consumption. Again available with a manual gearbox for risk mitigation.
Edited by dme123 on Friday 1st March 01:01
Mine gives 38mpg overall, 40+ on a run and <32 hooning about on fast A-roads. It is a delighfully quiet and civilised place to be, other than the constant 'chattering' from the climate control system (they nearly all do that, sir).
I've just had my autobox oil/filter/sump pan changed at 70,000 and the gearbox specialist who did it reckoned that old, dirty oil was the cause of most problems. He suggested 60k - 80k change intervals and said he knew of many that had done >200k. We certainly had several Discos at work which had done about 200k without problems on the same gearbox.
Pop over to www.jaguarforum.co.uk for lots more info.
I've just had my autobox oil/filter/sump pan changed at 70,000 and the gearbox specialist who did it reckoned that old, dirty oil was the cause of most problems. He suggested 60k - 80k change intervals and said he knew of many that had done >200k. We certainly had several Discos at work which had done about 200k without problems on the same gearbox.
Pop over to www.jaguarforum.co.uk for lots more info.
Got a 3.0 manual, and if you treat it with respect and care, by which I mean buy tyres when they are needed, check tyre pressures, check oil levels, service every 10k, it is quite fantastic. Sport model is better, imho, for the suspension and nthe seats, which are in a different league. No problems to speak of.
Like any car you have to look after it. It won't run forever without maintenance.
Like any car you have to look after it. It won't run forever without maintenance.
Edited by cardigankid on Monday 4th March 21:09
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