H reg Jaguar sovreign, mad mad choice???
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Hi folks,
Some crazy moment has made me think of swapping my Audi 80tdi with an H reg sovreign.
The Jag is a good 'un, mechanically I'm not too bad with cars, but just HOW bad is the mpg. I know its not going to be good. My old XJ8 3.2 was bad, but just how much worse would the old girl be?
I know I shouldn't think of it if I have to ask, but it's a lovely car.
ta.
Some crazy moment has made me think of swapping my Audi 80tdi with an H reg sovreign.
The Jag is a good 'un, mechanically I'm not too bad with cars, but just HOW bad is the mpg. I know its not going to be good. My old XJ8 3.2 was bad, but just how much worse would the old girl be?
I know I shouldn't think of it if I have to ask, but it's a lovely car.
ta.
The mpg's not too clever, I reckon I average about 20mpg. I seem get about 27mpg on a long run and about 16mpg around town.
I wouldn't like to commute in my XJ40, it would cost me a £100's a month in fuel. As I've got mine on a cheap limited mileage classic insurance policy and just potter around in it the running costs are very low, sufficiently low to justify owning it.
If I had to drive to work I think it could be more economically viable to get something like a 205 diesel for the purpose as a second car. It depends how far you've got to go though obviously.
I wouldn't like to commute in my XJ40, it would cost me a £100's a month in fuel. As I've got mine on a cheap limited mileage classic insurance policy and just potter around in it the running costs are very low, sufficiently low to justify owning it.
If I had to drive to work I think it could be more economically viable to get something like a 205 diesel for the purpose as a second car. It depends how far you've got to go though obviously.
Edited by Kieran XJR on Saturday 22 December 17:32
Well, I've only had mine a few weeks so it's too early to tell - but the trip computer says an average of 18.8 at the minute.
For comparison, I've just refilled the tank in my other new acquisition, a 1996 1.8 MX5, for the 1st time today and the first tank worked out at 25 mpg(!!) - so the old Daimler seems positively frugal.
The way I look at it, it's not the ABSOLUTE consumption that matters, its the ADDITIONAL cost compared to whatever car you would have been using otherwise that counts. For example, our main car, which is an ordinary modern 1.4 petrol hatch (Skoda Fabia) only actually manages to average 34-35mpg in actual real-world driving. If I substitute the Daimler for say 3000 of those miles per year, at 20 mpg Vs 35 mpg, then the extra fuel cost works out at only an additional £300 pa. So, what else would you rather do with that £300 per year, or £25 per month?
All depends on your own personal mileage of course.
(This is of course another example of that phenomenon known as 'man maths' - which can be used to justify all manner of things!)
For comparison, I've just refilled the tank in my other new acquisition, a 1996 1.8 MX5, for the 1st time today and the first tank worked out at 25 mpg(!!) - so the old Daimler seems positively frugal.
The way I look at it, it's not the ABSOLUTE consumption that matters, its the ADDITIONAL cost compared to whatever car you would have been using otherwise that counts. For example, our main car, which is an ordinary modern 1.4 petrol hatch (Skoda Fabia) only actually manages to average 34-35mpg in actual real-world driving. If I substitute the Daimler for say 3000 of those miles per year, at 20 mpg Vs 35 mpg, then the extra fuel cost works out at only an additional £300 pa. So, what else would you rather do with that £300 per year, or £25 per month?
All depends on your own personal mileage of course.
(This is of course another example of that phenomenon known as 'man maths' - which can be used to justify all manner of things!)
Chaps, I have been using man maths for years....."Yes dear, the 540i is not too bad on fuel, honest, what's a little bit more when 286bhp is available" 
Sadly, I'm silverback on his own now, however have an insatiable urge for silly vehicles, and my current Audi tdi is absolutely, completely sensible, reliable, normal, right for the circumstances, but...............I am most definately not.
arse, it's only money.
Anything else stupid I can buy. bollox to it.
Sadly, I'm silverback on his own now, however have an insatiable urge for silly vehicles, and my current Audi tdi is absolutely, completely sensible, reliable, normal, right for the circumstances, but...............I am most definately not.
arse, it's only money.Anything else stupid I can buy. bollox to it.
Edited by silverback mike on Monday 24th December 20:09
Sadly, I can't claim copyright on it. But a damn useful philosophy nonetheless!
groomi said:
mccrackenj said:
(This is of course another example of that phenomenon known as 'man maths' - which can be used to justify all manner of things!)
I've been using the method for years, but never had a name for it. Must remember that! silverback mike said:
arse, it's only money.Anything else stupid I can buy. bollox to it.
Edited by silverback mike on Monday 24th December 20:09
On a serious note though, I'm personally very bad at spending £ on myself, happy to spend it on others, but bad at spending it on myself - always have to 'justify' each purchase in some logical way. It's taken me many years of unnecessarily denying myself things before I've recently started to realise that life really is too short and the 'rainy day' you're saving for never comes. If you're solvent and your bills are paid and your family is financially OK (if appropriate) then if you see something that you want and you have the £ just do it.
For example: in purely financial terms buying my TVR was a terrible decision; cost me over £1.50 per mile - and the shares I sold to finance it rose by 40% in the 2 1/2 years I had the car - but if you look at things that way you'll never do anything worthwhile!
Serious mode over, sorry for going on a bit (small glass of wine taken) - go and buy that old Jag!
Merry Christmas!
groomi said:
mccrackenj said:
(This is of course another example of that phenomenon known as 'man maths' - which can be used to justify all manner of things!)
I've been using the method for years, but never had a name for it. Must remember that! That just proves what has been said many many times before, about a big engine that doesn't have to work too hard being relatively economical compared to a hard-worked smaller one. When I got the Daimler my boss's 1st comment was "and what is the carbon footprint of that?". Now, every fibre of my being screamed "And what f**king business is it of yours anyway you sanctimonious prat!", but my mouth said, "well actually, my 3000 miles per year at 20 mpg is nothing compared to your 20,000 at 35, and that's before we talk about the environmental cost of scrapping cars and making new ones." Anyway, I digress again (more wine taken) - the point (I think) is that petrol costs can often be a relatively small part of total motoring costs, so let's not worry about a few mpg here or there and enjoy what those few mpg 'buys' us in return, i.e lovely leather, wood, power, refinement, etc, etc (and a tool for pi**ing off the uneducated masses).
Anyway - even more wine beckons, so that's it from me until after Christmas (I'm getting earache from t'other 'alf). Have a good Christmas everyone and enjoy your Jags & Daimlers of whatever description.
Nah that's not just man maths, she who must be obeyed's previous motor was a 1998 1.8L Passat, which on local motoring returned 22MPG, over the same roads the Jag returned 18. I wasn't the only one who reckoned at with that difference the Jag had to be considered reasonably economical, and certainly the bargain out of the two.
Anyway - even more wine beckons, so that's it from me until after Christmas (I'm getting earache from t'other 'alf). Have a good Christmas everyone and enjoy your Jags & Daimlers of whatever description.
a8hex said:
groomi said:
mccrackenj said:
(This is of course another example of that phenomenon known as 'man maths' - which can be used to justify all manner of things!)
I've been using the method for years, but never had a name for it. Must remember that! ChampagneCharlie said:
Hmmm man maths???? How does it work for me then being a girlie an all??? I get about 23 on average in the CJ40 and a bit less in the XJ8. It's not about economy though, its about the ride!!!!
Any girlie going by the name ChampagneCharlie has obviously already taken the science of justification mathematics to level that would simply confuse most of us mere men. So I please just smile, look knowingly at us and accept that we just have a different definition of the phase "grown up".
As you say
its about the ride!!!!
I'll probably never emit the amount of CO2 from the back of my XK150 as it would to manufacture the typical Green hybrid Chelsea Tractor (Or actually just about any new car) so I don't intend to worry about it.
ChampagneCharlie said:
Oh No!!! You think I'm grown up!!! I'm absolutely devastated!! What can I say???? Not me Guv Honest!! 
Do you not think that Charlie could be short for Charlotte?
I'd certainly hoped that in your case "Charlie" was short for "Charlotte" or I'd got the bit about girlie wrong. Do you not think that Charlie could be short for Charlotte?The comment about growing up was to do with the normal retort to examples of man maths
I just don't think this one was an example of man maths
a8hex said:
ChampagneCharlie said:
Oh No!!! You think I'm grown up!!! I'm absolutely devastated!! What can I say???? Not me Guv Honest!! Do you not think that Charlie could be short for Charlotte?
I'd certainly hoped that in your case "Charlie" was short for "Charlotte" or I'd got the bit about girlie wrong. Do you not think that Charlie could be short for Charlotte?The comment about growing up was to do with the normal retort to examples of man maths
I just don't think this one was an example of man maths
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