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adamsky

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687 posts

238 months

Tuesday 4th November 2008
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my xj8 wont start, put it in the gargen and never started it for 2 weeks!! all its doing is turning over, not a hint of starting tho?? only thing i can think of is its damp?(been raining here and frosty). Also noticed oil was really low! has it got a sensor that wont allow it to start if its low??

thanks for any help Adam

drummerboyXJR

189 posts

209 months

Tuesday 4th November 2008
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Sounds like its flooded. Push your foot hard to the floor and hold it there, crank for 30 secs, then stop. Release your foot, and then try starting as normal with no throttle.

adamsky

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687 posts

238 months

Tuesday 4th November 2008
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u can defo smell the petral but i left it half an hour still nothing then left it till next day and the same?

Al try again the mora let you know

cheers Adam

drummerboyXJR

189 posts

209 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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Its a common problem, you have washed out the oil from the bores, so lacking compression for a spark.
The foot down method will cut the fuel and allow the oil to build back up, hopefully.
If not you will need to go to phase 2, which gets a bit messy!

Trooper2

6,676 posts

253 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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Just a thought, I'd top up the oil before I tried starting it any more.

adamsky

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687 posts

238 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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Trooper2 said:
Just a thought, I'd top up the oil before I tried starting it any more.
thats first on my list, just bought the car and i knew the owner, and i know he wouldnt have checked it!!!!

it always started though??

adamsky

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687 posts

238 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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drummerboyXJR said:
which gets a bit messy!
can i ask what this involve??

cheers for all the help guys Adam

drummerboyXJR

189 posts

209 months

Wednesday 5th November 2008
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Taking plugs out, pouring some oil down overnight, starting, then smoking out your neighbours for about a week!

adamsky

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687 posts

238 months

Saturday 8th November 2008
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drummerboyXJR said:
Taking plugs out, pouring some oil down overnight, starting, then smoking out your neighbours for about a week!
Am going to try this, tryed the foot to the floor 30 seconds thing with no joy. Getting p**sed off with it! only had the car a couple of weeks!

drummerboyXJR

189 posts

209 months

Saturday 8th November 2008
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Adam, before you go to all that trouble, is the engine spinning over really fast, ie faster than normal?
Thats a sure sign you have flushed it out and lost compression, in which case the oil trick is the only option really.
If its turning over normally ie, a churning rather than a whizzing type sound, investigate other possibilities first.
Hope that helps.

adamsky

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687 posts

238 months

Saturday 8th November 2008
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Never noticed if its any faster? doesnt sound as though its got compression? is this a really common problem? must be that because when we got the car we were like kids with a new toy!!you know how it issmilestarting it,revving it then stoping it. its no been a good start eh.

thanks for the help Adam

Edited by adamsky on Saturday 8th November 18:21

adamsky

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687 posts

238 months

Saturday 8th November 2008
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is it a big job gettting into the plugs? how much oil do i put down?

drummerboyXJR

189 posts

209 months

Sunday 9th November 2008
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Take the top covers off, 6 bolts, will need to take air intake off to access.
Unplug coils with small screwdriver in the clips, unbolt coils, remove plugs.
Just a 'glug' of oil in each, leave overnight. Spin the engine over with your foot hard down to cut the fuel supply and rags over the plug holes to push out the excess oil.
Reassemble, try starting with no throttle. Cross your fingers!
If it starts, let it run to go through its warm up cycle.
It will smoke like hell for quite a while so warn your neighbours!
Before you try all the above, might be worth doing a compression check on one bore, just to make sure its that and not an ignition issue.
Good luck.

Jaguar steve

9,232 posts

232 months

Sunday 9th November 2008
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If it is spinning over fast when you try to start - with a steady high pitched whirring sound rather than the usual slower whump whump whump then it's likley you have lost compression by washing the oil from the bore walls.

This is usually caused by starting and stopping the engine from cold - the engine overfuels and floods.

Take off the two black rectangular covers on the middle of the cam boxes. Carefully disconnect the leads on the coils and pull the coils off the plugs. Make sure there is nothing that can fall into the combustion chamber and gently undo the plugs.

Plugs may have been in the engine for several years and could be very stiff to initially loosen. Don't use force - if you can't get one out failrly easily, give up - snap a plug you're really fked.

Squirt up to a tea spoon of clean engine oil from a can into each combustion chamber. Check the plug gaps (should be 1.0mm) and carefully replace the plugs.

Re fit the coils and leads. Make sure you have a strong battery and try to start. Don't use lots of short bursts on the starter - keep the engine turning for up to 30 seconds at a time and modulate the throttle until you find a point where the engine speeds up and tries to fire.

Once it starts take it out for a drive and get it throughly warmed up.

If this proves flooding was the problem I'd change the oil ASAP to ensure there's been no fuel dilution of the oil.

adamsky

Original Poster:

687 posts

238 months

Monday 10th November 2008
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I'll try this today, fingers crossed

thanks again Adam

adamsky

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687 posts

238 months

Monday 10th November 2008
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poured the oil down, going to leave over night. cant find my feelers anyway. plugs have got a big gap so need to do them. let use know tommorrow

adamsky

Original Poster:

687 posts

238 months

Tuesday 11th November 2008
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Tryed it today and no even a hint of trying to start!!!banghead

Phoned the guy we bought the car off and he confirmed he had this problem with the car before!

Im just hoping i put enough oil down the bores? going to try it again tommorrow

__G__

16,163 posts

212 months

Tuesday 11th November 2008
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Just out of curiosity....


You have checked the voltage across the battery terminals is above 12.0 haven't you? (ideally 12.5+).

adamsky

Original Poster:

687 posts

238 months

Tuesday 11th November 2008
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Have'nt tryed that mate? its defo this other problem, i spoke to the old owner and the guy that got it going and its the same! really doing my head in now. This is our 4th jag and i've never heard of this before? but looked into it and it seems to be. The night i got the car i must've started it 5 times on the cold start!! which has took the oil out the bores

drummerboyXJR

189 posts

209 months

Tuesday 11th November 2008
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Persevere Adam, once it starts it may not do it again, if your careful about letting it go through its warm up cycle in future.