Spec Options and guidance buying sub £3k X-Type please
Discussion
Being strapped for cash presently, I am hoping to be able to buy a reliable 2.5 or 3 litre auto X-Type for under £3k ....
Are there any significant differences in 01, 02, 03 cars with regard to spec / build quality / reliability (eg any 'chocolate Nicosil type' issues with engines or tranny)
Differences between sport, standard and SE models and when introduced
Any preferences between 2.5 and 3 litre on the auto
What fuel consumption is typical for above two engines: (a) overall (b) cruising at c.80 long distance
I prefer the lighter wood, what is that called?
Looking for light coloured soft leather, what options are there and does the SE have better / softer leather
Any expensive services or items likely to need attention at specific mileages - Eg are both engines and auto boxes + 4wd systems generally ok to 120k miles, is there a pricey cambelt/chain type service?
Is slide tilt glass roof std on one model?
Need Cruise, leather and aircon and prefer heated seats. - Is there a part leather option with leather bolsters and fabric / split leather centre panels (or is leather ok with regard to sweating in summer?)
Any preferences on wheel designs, i appear to have come across two or 3 - what should go with what?
Hoping to get car before Christmas, so prices should be verry keen this year - it would appear that £2.5k should secure FSH sub 80k model, perhaps an 02 model come turn of year (is that worth waiting for with regard to spec / build?)
Many thanks for any feedback
Are there any significant differences in 01, 02, 03 cars with regard to spec / build quality / reliability (eg any 'chocolate Nicosil type' issues with engines or tranny)
Differences between sport, standard and SE models and when introduced
Any preferences between 2.5 and 3 litre on the auto
What fuel consumption is typical for above two engines: (a) overall (b) cruising at c.80 long distance
I prefer the lighter wood, what is that called?
Looking for light coloured soft leather, what options are there and does the SE have better / softer leather
Any expensive services or items likely to need attention at specific mileages - Eg are both engines and auto boxes + 4wd systems generally ok to 120k miles, is there a pricey cambelt/chain type service?
Is slide tilt glass roof std on one model?
Need Cruise, leather and aircon and prefer heated seats. - Is there a part leather option with leather bolsters and fabric / split leather centre panels (or is leather ok with regard to sweating in summer?)
Any preferences on wheel designs, i appear to have come across two or 3 - what should go with what?
Hoping to get car before Christmas, so prices should be verry keen this year - it would appear that £2.5k should secure FSH sub 80k model, perhaps an 02 model come turn of year (is that worth waiting for with regard to spec / build?)
Many thanks for any feedback
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/782605.htm
shnozz's is a good un
I would buy it if I had the money...
shnozz's is a good un
I would buy it if I had the money...Edited by silverback mike on Friday 14th November 13:42
silverback mike said:
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/782605.htm
shnozz's is a good un I would buy it if I had the money...
not sure still for sale - do you have his direct email?shnozz's is a good un
I would buy it if I had the money...Edited by silverback mike on Friday 14th November 13:42
Quite a lot of questions there, and I can only answer some of them. I've just bought a 3.0 Sport auto ('51) so learnt a little about the early cars (pre-2003) when doing my research.
Leather - the basic car didn't come with leather, it was a £1200 optional extra. The SE had leather as standard, the Sport had half-leather seats, although you could upgrade to full leather for an additional £440 (according to an old copy of What Car I have handy). I believe the same leather was used on all cars when specced, so no difference between SE and Sport 'feel'. Heated seats was part of a package option which included the front windscreen and wing mirrors. Not sure how much it cost when new, but unless you plan on wearing thin trousers in the dead of winter it's not really all that valuable - my car has it and it's a nice novelty but unless you're willing to start the car and put the heater on a minute before getting in you'll still get a cold tush to begin with. Quite nice to have, but not a dealbreaker.
Auto - none of the derivatives had an auto as standard, it was a £1250 option.
Sunroof - not standard on any of them, a £900 option.
Aircon/climate - All SE models and the 3.0 Sport had climate, all others had aircon as standard.
Electric windows - as with climate, the SE's and 3.0 Sport had electric front and rear windows, all others had electric front windows only.
Other apec differences - not a lot really, the basic spec was pretty good and most other things were options so the default differences were largely limited to trim and suspension tuning, and most trim options could be ordered on all cars, so unless you really want the dark wood fascia of the sport model, or the chrome exterior trim of the SE, it's just a matter of hunting down your desired spec in whatever car it happens to be in. The only car in the range to have metallic paint as standard was the 3.0 sport as well, but obviously it could be specced on any of the others.
All 2.0 litres and the 3.0 Sport model had traction control as standard (don't think this was an option on any other models, but I'm ready to be corrected) and that's about all I can think of. There's a wild variance of options though - head unit types (cassette/single CD/minidisc) touchscreen satnav, voice control, integrated phone, parking sensors, etc...
On earlier cars the Sport models had 17" wheels as standard, the SE and basic had 16". I think there were revisions to the range sometime in 2003, but pretty minor - I couldn't really find any justification for choosing a 2002 car over a nice 2001.
As for running costs I've not had mine for long but I'm getting 25mpg on a mix of driving and I'm not exactly going slowly - I've been told that there's not much difference between the 2.5 and 3.0 in real-world driving, but obviously I can't vouch for that myself. Having plumpled for the Sport I have to say it does upset the ride a little as it's quite stiff in combination with the 17" alloys, and although it's capable of going around corners very quickly it's still not a 'sporty' car. It works better as a cruiser than a b-road blaster even though it's quite possible to go very fast down twiddly little back roads, it's not a particularly pleasurable experience. Depending on exactly what you want the car to do, I'd advise the SE model with the 3.0 engine. Others will no doubt disagree.
For your money and desired spec I'd say try and find the lowest mileage car you can and buy a warranty that covers the drivetrain. The only major failure I read about was the transfer box, which although it isn't exactly common, if it does go then it's not cheap to put right.
For overall reliability they seem good, it's a bit of a lottery whether you get a good one or a bad one, reading various forums some people have no issues at all for 150k, others have cars that break catastrophically within 1/3 that. Mine has 74000 on the clock and drives like new with no mysterious noises or slack in the drivetrain or box, I'm very hopeful that I'll get a good few years out of it, but I still got a warranty just for peace of mind.
Leather - the basic car didn't come with leather, it was a £1200 optional extra. The SE had leather as standard, the Sport had half-leather seats, although you could upgrade to full leather for an additional £440 (according to an old copy of What Car I have handy). I believe the same leather was used on all cars when specced, so no difference between SE and Sport 'feel'. Heated seats was part of a package option which included the front windscreen and wing mirrors. Not sure how much it cost when new, but unless you plan on wearing thin trousers in the dead of winter it's not really all that valuable - my car has it and it's a nice novelty but unless you're willing to start the car and put the heater on a minute before getting in you'll still get a cold tush to begin with. Quite nice to have, but not a dealbreaker.
Auto - none of the derivatives had an auto as standard, it was a £1250 option.
Sunroof - not standard on any of them, a £900 option.
Aircon/climate - All SE models and the 3.0 Sport had climate, all others had aircon as standard.
Electric windows - as with climate, the SE's and 3.0 Sport had electric front and rear windows, all others had electric front windows only.
Other apec differences - not a lot really, the basic spec was pretty good and most other things were options so the default differences were largely limited to trim and suspension tuning, and most trim options could be ordered on all cars, so unless you really want the dark wood fascia of the sport model, or the chrome exterior trim of the SE, it's just a matter of hunting down your desired spec in whatever car it happens to be in. The only car in the range to have metallic paint as standard was the 3.0 sport as well, but obviously it could be specced on any of the others.
All 2.0 litres and the 3.0 Sport model had traction control as standard (don't think this was an option on any other models, but I'm ready to be corrected) and that's about all I can think of. There's a wild variance of options though - head unit types (cassette/single CD/minidisc) touchscreen satnav, voice control, integrated phone, parking sensors, etc...
On earlier cars the Sport models had 17" wheels as standard, the SE and basic had 16". I think there were revisions to the range sometime in 2003, but pretty minor - I couldn't really find any justification for choosing a 2002 car over a nice 2001.
As for running costs I've not had mine for long but I'm getting 25mpg on a mix of driving and I'm not exactly going slowly - I've been told that there's not much difference between the 2.5 and 3.0 in real-world driving, but obviously I can't vouch for that myself. Having plumpled for the Sport I have to say it does upset the ride a little as it's quite stiff in combination with the 17" alloys, and although it's capable of going around corners very quickly it's still not a 'sporty' car. It works better as a cruiser than a b-road blaster even though it's quite possible to go very fast down twiddly little back roads, it's not a particularly pleasurable experience. Depending on exactly what you want the car to do, I'd advise the SE model with the 3.0 engine. Others will no doubt disagree.
For your money and desired spec I'd say try and find the lowest mileage car you can and buy a warranty that covers the drivetrain. The only major failure I read about was the transfer box, which although it isn't exactly common, if it does go then it's not cheap to put right.
For overall reliability they seem good, it's a bit of a lottery whether you get a good one or a bad one, reading various forums some people have no issues at all for 150k, others have cars that break catastrophically within 1/3 that. Mine has 74000 on the clock and drives like new with no mysterious noises or slack in the drivetrain or box, I'm very hopeful that I'll get a good few years out of it, but I still got a warranty just for peace of mind.
mugs said:
Quite a lot of questions there, and I can only answer some of them. I've just bought a 3.0 Sport auto ('51) so learnt a little about the early cars (pre-2003) when doing my research.
Leather - the basic car didn't come with leather, it was a £1200 optional extra. The SE had leather as standard, the Sport had half-leather seats, although you could upgrade to full leather for an additional £440 (according to an old copy of What Car I have handy). I believe the same leather was used on all cars when specced, so no difference between SE and Sport 'feel'. Heated seats was part of a package option which included the front windscreen and wing mirrors. Not sure how much it cost when new, but unless you plan on wearing thin trousers in the dead of winter it's not really all that valuable - my car has it and it's a nice novelty but unless you're willing to start the car and put the heater on a minute before getting in you'll still get a cold tush to begin with. Quite nice to have, but not a dealbreaker.
Auto - none of the derivatives had an auto as standard, it was a £1250 option.
Sunroof - not standard on any of them, a £900 option.
Aircon/climate - All SE models and the 3.0 Sport had climate, all others had aircon as standard.
Electric windows - as with climate, the SE's and 3.0 Sport had electric front and rear windows, all others had electric front windows only.
Other apec differences - not a lot really, the basic spec was pretty good and most other things were options so the default differences were largely limited to trim and suspension tuning, and most trim options could be ordered on all cars, so unless you really want the dark wood fascia of the sport model, or the chrome exterior trim of the SE, it's just a matter of hunting down your desired spec in whatever car it happens to be in. The only car in the range to have metallic paint as standard was the 3.0 sport as well, but obviously it could be specced on any of the others.
All 2.0 litres and the 3.0 Sport model had traction control as standard (don't think this was an option on any other models, but I'm ready to be corrected) and that's about all I can think of. There's a wild variance of options though - head unit types (cassette/single CD/minidisc) touchscreen satnav, voice control, integrated phone, parking sensors, etc...
On earlier cars the Sport models had 17" wheels as standard, the SE and basic had 16". I think there were revisions to the range sometime in 2003, but pretty minor - I couldn't really find any justification for choosing a 2002 car over a nice 2001.
As for running costs I've not had mine for long but I'm getting 25mpg on a mix of driving and I'm not exactly going slowly - I've been told that there's not much difference between the 2.5 and 3.0 in real-world driving, but obviously I can't vouch for that myself. Having plumpled for the Sport I have to say it does upset the ride a little as it's quite stiff in combination with the 17" alloys, and although it's capable of going around corners very quickly it's still not a 'sporty' car. It works better as a cruiser than a b-road blaster even though it's quite possible to go very fast down twiddly little back roads, it's not a particularly pleasurable experience. Depending on exactly what you want the car to do, I'd advise the SE model with the 3.0 engine. Others will no doubt disagree.
For your money and desired spec I'd say try and find the lowest mileage car you can and buy a warranty that covers the drivetrain. The only major failure I read about was the transfer box, which although it isn't exactly common, if it does go then it's not cheap to put right.
For overall reliability they seem good, it's a bit of a lottery whether you get a good one or a bad one, reading various forums some people have no issues at all for 150k, others have cars that break catastrophically within 1/3 that. Mine has 74000 on the clock and drives like new with no mysterious noises or slack in the drivetrain or box, I'm very hopeful that I'll get a good few years out of it, but I still got a warranty just for peace of mind.
Many thanks for helpful and frank inputLeather - the basic car didn't come with leather, it was a £1200 optional extra. The SE had leather as standard, the Sport had half-leather seats, although you could upgrade to full leather for an additional £440 (according to an old copy of What Car I have handy). I believe the same leather was used on all cars when specced, so no difference between SE and Sport 'feel'. Heated seats was part of a package option which included the front windscreen and wing mirrors. Not sure how much it cost when new, but unless you plan on wearing thin trousers in the dead of winter it's not really all that valuable - my car has it and it's a nice novelty but unless you're willing to start the car and put the heater on a minute before getting in you'll still get a cold tush to begin with. Quite nice to have, but not a dealbreaker.
Auto - none of the derivatives had an auto as standard, it was a £1250 option.
Sunroof - not standard on any of them, a £900 option.
Aircon/climate - All SE models and the 3.0 Sport had climate, all others had aircon as standard.
Electric windows - as with climate, the SE's and 3.0 Sport had electric front and rear windows, all others had electric front windows only.
Other apec differences - not a lot really, the basic spec was pretty good and most other things were options so the default differences were largely limited to trim and suspension tuning, and most trim options could be ordered on all cars, so unless you really want the dark wood fascia of the sport model, or the chrome exterior trim of the SE, it's just a matter of hunting down your desired spec in whatever car it happens to be in. The only car in the range to have metallic paint as standard was the 3.0 sport as well, but obviously it could be specced on any of the others.
All 2.0 litres and the 3.0 Sport model had traction control as standard (don't think this was an option on any other models, but I'm ready to be corrected) and that's about all I can think of. There's a wild variance of options though - head unit types (cassette/single CD/minidisc) touchscreen satnav, voice control, integrated phone, parking sensors, etc...
On earlier cars the Sport models had 17" wheels as standard, the SE and basic had 16". I think there were revisions to the range sometime in 2003, but pretty minor - I couldn't really find any justification for choosing a 2002 car over a nice 2001.
As for running costs I've not had mine for long but I'm getting 25mpg on a mix of driving and I'm not exactly going slowly - I've been told that there's not much difference between the 2.5 and 3.0 in real-world driving, but obviously I can't vouch for that myself. Having plumpled for the Sport I have to say it does upset the ride a little as it's quite stiff in combination with the 17" alloys, and although it's capable of going around corners very quickly it's still not a 'sporty' car. It works better as a cruiser than a b-road blaster even though it's quite possible to go very fast down twiddly little back roads, it's not a particularly pleasurable experience. Depending on exactly what you want the car to do, I'd advise the SE model with the 3.0 engine. Others will no doubt disagree.
For your money and desired spec I'd say try and find the lowest mileage car you can and buy a warranty that covers the drivetrain. The only major failure I read about was the transfer box, which although it isn't exactly common, if it does go then it's not cheap to put right.
For overall reliability they seem good, it's a bit of a lottery whether you get a good one or a bad one, reading various forums some people have no issues at all for 150k, others have cars that break catastrophically within 1/3 that. Mine has 74000 on the clock and drives like new with no mysterious noises or slack in the drivetrain or box, I'm very hopeful that I'll get a good few years out of it, but I still got a warranty just for peace of mind.
mugs said:
As for running costs I've not had mine for long but I'm getting 25mpg on a mix of driving and I'm not exactly going slowly - I've been told that there's not much difference between the 2.5 and 3.0 in real-world driving, but obviously I can't vouch for that myself.
Do you mean in economy or in performance?. I have owned both and (in auto version at least) the 3 Litre is considerable faster with similar economy.JagLover said:
mugs said:
As for running costs I've not had mine for long but I'm getting 25mpg on a mix of driving and I'm not exactly going slowly - I've been told that there's not much difference between the 2.5 and 3.0 in real-world driving, but obviously I can't vouch for that myself.
Do you mean in economy or in performance?. I have owned both and (in auto version at least) the 3 Litre is considerable faster with similar economy.FWDRacer said:
Unless you are dead set on an Auto - The MTX75 5-speed manual box makes for a better overall car and they don't go wrong. If a Jatco Auto goes pop (£
) you'll want to take your own life or drive the car into the nearest local canal.
I cannot afford major component failure and have heard of auto probs.) you'll want to take your own life or drive the car into the nearest local canal.Were these resolved in 02 or 03 as i prefer auto on this type of car
If all pre 04 autos are fragile (you cant believe that we are even discussing this possibility in view of the resources behind the manufacturer...) then I will have to go manual - are their any differeces / preferences there?
If push come to shove I might consider the S Type - are their autos any better??
LG,
See here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
There are other threads too on the Jag section of PH about the S-Type so I suggest you do a search and see what you find.
e-mail me if you need more info.
R.
See here:
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
There are other threads too on the Jag section of PH about the S-Type so I suggest you do a search and see what you find.
e-mail me if you need more info.
R.
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