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Also am i right in thinking that all Sport models have black veneer - I definitely prefer the very light veneer + cream leather
If was available in light veneer too, how much is the ride compromised on Sport over SE / Classic (and do those models differ much..?) - I would be ok with a compliant slightly firmer ride, but not one that jarrs over broken road surfaces typical on B roads
Do any of the specs dial out understeer more effectively than others?
If was available in light veneer too, how much is the ride compromised on Sport over SE / Classic (and do those models differ much..?) - I would be ok with a compliant slightly firmer ride, but not one that jarrs over broken road surfaces typical on B roads
Do any of the specs dial out understeer more effectively than others?
LG,
By the way, you refer to "cream leather" which is not Jag speak at all. What you might mean is officially called "ivory" which is the highest spec Jag leather and around £1000 as an extra when ordered on a new car. There is also "sand" which is a bit darker and is a no cost extra. The different price reflects the different quality in the leather.
Ivory is specified for new cars quite regularly for the XJ, XK and S-Type but I think less so for the X Type.
R.
By the way, you refer to "cream leather" which is not Jag speak at all. What you might mean is officially called "ivory" which is the highest spec Jag leather and around £1000 as an extra when ordered on a new car. There is also "sand" which is a bit darker and is a no cost extra. The different price reflects the different quality in the leather.
Ivory is specified for new cars quite regularly for the XJ, XK and S-Type but I think less so for the X Type.
R.
The only answer to deciding which one to go for really is to drive a few examples of the different suspension set ups and see which you like. Then take your current car over the same route straight afterwards as a reference.
I think most people have become so used to the hard suspension set up, responsive geometry and low profile tyres fitted to most cars that they have forgotten what real ride comfort and refinement is all about. My mate's ancient, 100k Omega, as an example, with it's pick and mix cheap tyres and soft suspension has a ride quality vastly superior to my V8 XJ. That might not seem too relevent or obvious on a brief drive but given the broken, pot holed and badly patched surfaces that our local authorities are pleased to call roads, ride comfort gets important after a few hundred miles
One person's sporty ride, grip and feel is another person's crashy, harsh nightmare. Given the choice personally I'd go for the softer set up every time, with the highest profile tyres and smallest diameter wheels available.
It's not often you find yourself desperately needing anonther 0.2g of lateral grip or a razor sharp turn in - in fact in my experience the novelty of a sporty driving experience usually goes off after a few miles - yet every yard you drive on every journey you do in a bit more comfort is a bonus IMO.
I think most people have become so used to the hard suspension set up, responsive geometry and low profile tyres fitted to most cars that they have forgotten what real ride comfort and refinement is all about. My mate's ancient, 100k Omega, as an example, with it's pick and mix cheap tyres and soft suspension has a ride quality vastly superior to my V8 XJ. That might not seem too relevent or obvious on a brief drive but given the broken, pot holed and badly patched surfaces that our local authorities are pleased to call roads, ride comfort gets important after a few hundred miles
One person's sporty ride, grip and feel is another person's crashy, harsh nightmare. Given the choice personally I'd go for the softer set up every time, with the highest profile tyres and smallest diameter wheels available.
It's not often you find yourself desperately needing anonther 0.2g of lateral grip or a razor sharp turn in - in fact in my experience the novelty of a sporty driving experience usually goes off after a few miles - yet every yard you drive on every journey you do in a bit more comfort is a bonus IMO.
Jaguar steve said:
The only answer to deciding which one to go for really is to drive a few examples of the different suspension set ups and see which you like. Then take your current car over the same route straight afterwards as a reference.
I think most people have become so used to the hard suspension set up, responsive geometry and low profile tyres fitted to most cars that they have forgotten what real ride comfort and refinement is all about. My mate's ancient, 100k Omega, as an example, with it's pick and mix cheap tyres and soft suspension has a ride quality vastly superior to my V8 XJ. That might not seem too relevent or obvious on a brief drive but given the broken, pot holed and badly patched surfaces that our local authorities are pleased to call roads, ride comfort gets important after a few hundred miles
...wise words...
One person's sporty ride, grip and feel is another person's crashy, harsh nightmare. Given the choice personally I'd go for the softer set up every time, with the highest profile tyres and smallest diameter wheels available.
It's not often you find yourself desperately needing anonther 0.2g of lateral grip or a razor sharp turn in - in fact in my experience the novelty of a sporty driving experience usually goes off after a few miles - yet every yard you drive on every journey you do in a bit more comfort is a bonus IMO.
I think most people have become so used to the hard suspension set up, responsive geometry and low profile tyres fitted to most cars that they have forgotten what real ride comfort and refinement is all about. My mate's ancient, 100k Omega, as an example, with it's pick and mix cheap tyres and soft suspension has a ride quality vastly superior to my V8 XJ. That might not seem too relevent or obvious on a brief drive but given the broken, pot holed and badly patched surfaces that our local authorities are pleased to call roads, ride comfort gets important after a few hundred miles
...wise words...
One person's sporty ride, grip and feel is another person's crashy, harsh nightmare. Given the choice personally I'd go for the softer set up every time, with the highest profile tyres and smallest diameter wheels available.
It's not often you find yourself desperately needing anonther 0.2g of lateral grip or a razor sharp turn in - in fact in my experience the novelty of a sporty driving experience usually goes off after a few miles - yet every yard you drive on every journey you do in a bit more comfort is a bonus IMO.
The Leaper said:
LG,
By the way, you refer to "cream leather" which is not Jag speak at all. What you might mean is officially called "ivory" which is the highest spec Jag leather and around £1000 as an extra when ordered on a new car. There is also "sand" which is a bit darker and is a no cost extra. The different price reflects the different quality in the leather.
Ivory is specified for new cars quite regularly for the XJ, XK and S-Type but I think less so for the X Type.
R.
Aha..!! - I think i have only encountered the Ivory once - in a show stand 2.7D S-Type and commented to salesperson that i had no idea Jag interiors were that good these days - this would account for it - colour matches and it was magical in the back - a cacoon of sumptiousness! - I used the generic 'cream' in the hope to reveal just such an interesting fact - nobody has mentioned it previously when i have enquired about differences in specBy the way, you refer to "cream leather" which is not Jag speak at all. What you might mean is officially called "ivory" which is the highest spec Jag leather and around £1000 as an extra when ordered on a new car. There is also "sand" which is a bit darker and is a no cost extra. The different price reflects the different quality in the leather.
Ivory is specified for new cars quite regularly for the XJ, XK and S-Type but I think less so for the X Type.
R.
The consensus would appear to be to go for an SE with Ivory for luxurious 'Jaguar feel' to cheapest Jag - Did I hear of a Sovereign model?
Lone Granger said:
The Leaper said:
LG,
By the way, you refer to "cream leather" which is not Jag speak at all. What you might mean is officially called "ivory" which is the highest spec Jag leather and around £1000 as an extra when ordered on a new car. There is also "sand" which is a bit darker and is a no cost extra. The different price reflects the different quality in the leather.
Ivory is specified for new cars quite regularly for the XJ, XK and S-Type but I think less so for the X Type.
R.
Aha..!! - I think i have only encountered the Ivory once - in a show stand 2.7D S-Type and commented to salesperson that i had no idea Jag interiors were that good these days - this would account for it - colour matches and it was magical in the back - a cacoon of sumptiousness! - I used the generic 'cream' in the hope to reveal just such an interesting fact - nobody has mentioned it previously when i have enquired about differences in specBy the way, you refer to "cream leather" which is not Jag speak at all. What you might mean is officially called "ivory" which is the highest spec Jag leather and around £1000 as an extra when ordered on a new car. There is also "sand" which is a bit darker and is a no cost extra. The different price reflects the different quality in the leather.
Ivory is specified for new cars quite regularly for the XJ, XK and S-Type but I think less so for the X Type.
R.
The consensus would appear to be to go for an SE with Ivory for luxurious 'Jaguar feel' to cheapest Jag - Did I hear of a Sovereign model?
Jaguar steve said:
I think most people have become so used to the hard suspension set up, responsive geometry and low profile tyres fitted to most cars that they have forgotten what real ride comfort and refinement is all about.
I'd agree with this, it depends very much what you're coming from and what your frame of reference is. I went from a very soft Mazda 626 to a '51 Sport and initially found the ride very hard and it didn't feel at all like I'd hoped a Jaguar would. Now that's I've gotten more used to it I find I tune most of the bumps out and appreciate the positive aspects of the suspension far more than I did in the first month or so. If I could choose again I think I'd go for an SE as the Sport treads a fine line between firm and crashy, but the only way for you to find out if it's acceptable would be to take a test drive in one - you'll only need five minutes to know for sure.
That's real ride quality IMOI've got an Xtype sport with the cream/ivory interior. The suspension on the sport X type is 15 percent stiffer than other specs and it certainly handles well but still feels quite refined imo, although I have fitted 18" rims on mine so it feels the bumps a bit more now.
Here's a shot of the interior just to show you that you can get it on the sport model.
Here's a shot of the interior just to show you that you can get it on the sport model.
Edited by skidrisk on Wednesday 24th December 03:32
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