Valuation question - B6 S4 saloon 2003 (53)
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I've just bought a rather rare 3l petrol Q5; it suits our needs. To get SWMBO to agree I had to agree to selling my purchased from new S4 saloon. I'm not rushing but the biggest issue is trying to decide where I should pitch the asking price.
The briefest spec is manual, 53k miles, FSH, all receipts, silver, black Recaro interior and Bose stereo (plus all standard features). I've looked at current ads and they range from £4k to £9k but none of the specs quite fit so I don't know whether to pitch at the lower end or elsewhere. Ultimately I want to advertise to sell so any advice would be welcome.
The briefest spec is manual, 53k miles, FSH, all receipts, silver, black Recaro interior and Bose stereo (plus all standard features). I've looked at current ads and they range from £4k to £9k but none of the specs quite fit so I don't know whether to pitch at the lower end or elsewhere. Ultimately I want to advertise to sell so any advice would be welcome.
Mileage is deffo in favour.
Prices, from what you state, seem to be holding up, but is that a true indication of what they're selling for I wonder?
I'd struggle to want to spend more than £6.5k on a car which is 13 years old, with potential issue for clutch or tensioners (costing around £1.5k to £2.5k respectivley) but you might get lucky and find a buyer.
I sold mine nearly 3 years ago now, was a cracking example, really well maintained, same year and 53 reg, but Black with 97k miles on.
I got just under £6k for it from memory.
If you can find a buyer who really wants that V8 rumble, (which to ne honest sounds superb with a Milltek which I had) then you might get lukcy and get £7k plus, but if you want to sell it as opposed to have it sitting around wasting MOT, eating into next service dates etc, then price it accordingly to see where the market might be.
If you bought it new, nearly 14 year ago for something around £40k, if its cost you £2.5k per year in depreciation, then it only really owes you £5k at most.
Dec is a hard time to sell cars too, so either get it advertised sharpish or be prepared for rather a slow period till end of Jan.
Good luck with the sale, great cars, but you just need to find someone who is happy to spend that cash for the noise, as the performance is available with many 4 pot turbos which will be newer or cheaper.
Prices, from what you state, seem to be holding up, but is that a true indication of what they're selling for I wonder?
I'd struggle to want to spend more than £6.5k on a car which is 13 years old, with potential issue for clutch or tensioners (costing around £1.5k to £2.5k respectivley) but you might get lucky and find a buyer.
I sold mine nearly 3 years ago now, was a cracking example, really well maintained, same year and 53 reg, but Black with 97k miles on.
I got just under £6k for it from memory.
If you can find a buyer who really wants that V8 rumble, (which to ne honest sounds superb with a Milltek which I had) then you might get lukcy and get £7k plus, but if you want to sell it as opposed to have it sitting around wasting MOT, eating into next service dates etc, then price it accordingly to see where the market might be.
If you bought it new, nearly 14 year ago for something around £40k, if its cost you £2.5k per year in depreciation, then it only really owes you £5k at most.
Dec is a hard time to sell cars too, so either get it advertised sharpish or be prepared for rather a slow period till end of Jan.
Good luck with the sale, great cars, but you just need to find someone who is happy to spend that cash for the noise, as the performance is available with many 4 pot turbos which will be newer or cheaper.
Good morning,
I agree with MattS5.
These are becoming niche cars in many respects as everybody appears wrapped around the axle on mpg, iphone connection and diesel! A subtle car packing a 340 hp V8, manual box and 4 wheel drive is brilliant but fails to tick boxes for the masses.
I am really keen to get one of these in convertible flavour but a saloon or estate also appeals. I would have to have proof that any car I was interested in has had the timing chain and tensioner replaced as well as a new clutch and coil packs. Lots of people would not look at this usually but perhaps they would when buying a car like this? A good exhaust would also be necessary to release that wonderful V8 noise.
In terms of value it is hard to set without knowing the full detail. I would suggest somewhere between £5000 - 6000 depending on how quickly you wish to sell. An advert containing good pictures and a detailed, honest and well reasoned text, combined with realistic pricing, will sell most things quickly.
I agree with MattS5.
These are becoming niche cars in many respects as everybody appears wrapped around the axle on mpg, iphone connection and diesel! A subtle car packing a 340 hp V8, manual box and 4 wheel drive is brilliant but fails to tick boxes for the masses.
I am really keen to get one of these in convertible flavour but a saloon or estate also appeals. I would have to have proof that any car I was interested in has had the timing chain and tensioner replaced as well as a new clutch and coil packs. Lots of people would not look at this usually but perhaps they would when buying a car like this? A good exhaust would also be necessary to release that wonderful V8 noise.
In terms of value it is hard to set without knowing the full detail. I would suggest somewhere between £5000 - 6000 depending on how quickly you wish to sell. An advert containing good pictures and a detailed, honest and well reasoned text, combined with realistic pricing, will sell most things quickly.
If it's mintier than a minty thing then the one owner and low miles will definitely be in its favour - even more so if it's been annually serviced rather than long life.
If you want to frighten yourself, stick the details into WBAC and aim to add £1-2k to that valuation as a private sale and you shouldn't be too far off.
There's one on AT with more miles and similar spec for just over £7k asking, but the difficulty is knowing what it actually goes for, if it sells. A dealer's got one up for £6.5k with similar miles to the private sale. They're not that common so dealer and private sale values probably aren't that far apart.
If you want to frighten yourself, stick the details into WBAC and aim to add £1-2k to that valuation as a private sale and you shouldn't be too far off.
There's one on AT with more miles and similar spec for just over £7k asking, but the difficulty is knowing what it actually goes for, if it sells. A dealer's got one up for £6.5k with similar miles to the private sale. They're not that common so dealer and private sale values probably aren't that far apart.
MattS5 said:
Mileage is deffo in favour.
Prices, from what you state, seem to be holding up, but is that a true indication of what they're selling for I wonder?
I'd struggle to want to spend more than £6.5k on a car which is 13 years old, with potential issue for clutch or tensioners (costing around £1.5k to £2.5k respectivley) but you might get lucky and find a buyer.
I sold mine nearly 3 years ago now, was a cracking example, really well maintained, same year and 53 reg, but Black with 97k miles on.
I got just under £6k for it from memory.
If you can find a buyer who really wants that V8 rumble, (which to ne honest sounds superb with a Milltek which I had) then you might get lukcy and get £7k plus, but if you want to sell it as opposed to have it sitting around wasting MOT, eating into next service dates etc, then price it accordingly to see where the market might be.
If you bought it new, nearly 14 year ago for something around £40k, if its cost you £2.5k per year in depreciation, then it only really owes you £5k at most.
Dec is a hard time to sell cars too, so either get it advertised sharpish or be prepared for rather a slow period till end of Jan.
Good luck with the sale, great cars, but you just need to find someone who is happy to spend that cash for the noise, as the performance is available with many 4 pot turbos which will be newer or cheaper.
Thanks for this. I guess it aligns very much with my thinking except your comment re. 4 pot turbos. Nothing compares to a V8 growl Prices, from what you state, seem to be holding up, but is that a true indication of what they're selling for I wonder?
I'd struggle to want to spend more than £6.5k on a car which is 13 years old, with potential issue for clutch or tensioners (costing around £1.5k to £2.5k respectivley) but you might get lucky and find a buyer.
I sold mine nearly 3 years ago now, was a cracking example, really well maintained, same year and 53 reg, but Black with 97k miles on.
I got just under £6k for it from memory.
If you can find a buyer who really wants that V8 rumble, (which to ne honest sounds superb with a Milltek which I had) then you might get lukcy and get £7k plus, but if you want to sell it as opposed to have it sitting around wasting MOT, eating into next service dates etc, then price it accordingly to see where the market might be.
If you bought it new, nearly 14 year ago for something around £40k, if its cost you £2.5k per year in depreciation, then it only really owes you £5k at most.
Dec is a hard time to sell cars too, so either get it advertised sharpish or be prepared for rather a slow period till end of Jan.
Good luck with the sale, great cars, but you just need to find someone who is happy to spend that cash for the noise, as the performance is available with many 4 pot turbos which will be newer or cheaper.
junglie said:
Good morning,
I agree with MattS5.
These are becoming niche cars in many respects as everybody appears wrapped around the axle on mpg, iphone connection and diesel! A subtle car packing a 340 hp V8, manual box and 4 wheel drive is brilliant but fails to tick boxes for the masses.
Agreed and the reason I bought it 13 years ago.I agree with MattS5.
These are becoming niche cars in many respects as everybody appears wrapped around the axle on mpg, iphone connection and diesel! A subtle car packing a 340 hp V8, manual box and 4 wheel drive is brilliant but fails to tick boxes for the masses.
junglie said:
I am really keen to get one of these in convertible flavour but a saloon or estate also appeals. I would have to have proof that any car I was interested in has had the timing chain and tensioner replaced as well as a new clutch and coil packs. Lots of people would not look at this usually but perhaps they would when buying a car like this? A good exhaust would also be necessary to release that wonderful V8 noise.
It's had a new clutch and DMF and the coil pack recall. The chain/tensioner issue seems to be the bogey man. Whilst I've heard of several cases I just can't believe that every car needs to have this done sub 100k miles. The car has been serviced on the long-life programme but when you consider that the mileage has never exceeded 8k miles before oil change etc and the car most definitely doesn't display the death rattle. I'm not sure I'd make this a requirement before purchase; but then again I'm selling I guess.As for the exhaust, I decided I'd probably go Miltek if it needed replacing; it hasn't. I actually quite like the stock exhaust for day-to-day driving. You most definitely know there's something more interesting when you press on.
junglie said:
In terms of value it is hard to set without knowing the full detail. I would suggest somewhere between £5000 - 6000 depending on how quickly you wish to sell. An advert containing good pictures and a detailed, honest and well reasoned text, combined with realistic pricing, will sell most things quickly.
Thanks 
Adrian E said:
If it's mintier than a minty thing then the one owner and low miles will definitely be in its favour - even more so if it's been annually serviced rather than long life.
If you want to frighten yourself, stick the details into WBAC and aim to add £1-2k to that valuation as a private sale and you shouldn't be too far off.
There's one on AT with more miles and similar spec for just over £7k asking, but the difficulty is knowing what it actually goes for, if it sells. A dealer's got one up for £6.5k with similar miles to the private sale. They're not that common so dealer and private sale values probably aren't that far apart.
Yep, did the WBAC and your right, it frightened me but I understand why. If the only option was WBAC then I'd keep it.If you want to frighten yourself, stick the details into WBAC and aim to add £1-2k to that valuation as a private sale and you shouldn't be too far off.
There's one on AT with more miles and similar spec for just over £7k asking, but the difficulty is knowing what it actually goes for, if it sells. A dealer's got one up for £6.5k with similar miles to the private sale. They're not that common so dealer and private sale values probably aren't that far apart.
All the comments have been very helpful and will help me decide what to do. Thanks all.
caiss4 said:
Thanks for this. I guess it aligns very much with my thinking except your comment re. 4 pot turbos. Nothing compares to a V8 growl
Too right. I absolutely loved my S4. I moved to a remapped S3 sportback with DSG. Great hooning and fab performance, but it was a soulless 4 pot turbo and sounded crap in comparison.
Hence my reason for going S5, 3.0 With DSG, it's a great middle ground, performance and noise.
It's still not the V8 rumble, but the interior is much sharper which makes up for it.
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