2008 ktm x bow-audi 2.0 tfsi engine - asking for trouble ?
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I have been looking forward to buying a ktm x bow for many years now
the early 2008 cars had a turbocharged audi 2.0 tfsi belt driven engine
are these engines prone to excessive oil consumption and bore score problems ?
google posts up some truly horrific stories re some audi/vw engines ----more than enough to make you never want to go near a vw/audi engined car
thank-you
the early 2008 cars had a turbocharged audi 2.0 tfsi belt driven engine
are these engines prone to excessive oil consumption and bore score problems ?
google posts up some truly horrific stories re some audi/vw engines ----more than enough to make you never want to go near a vw/audi engined car
thank-you
thank you dr g
the problem is that googling thie issue brings up topics like that which I have copied below from the audi a5/s5 owners forum, which suggests that the early pre-2012 cars are similarly affected :
2.0 TFSI Oil consumption problem - summary and FAQ
This thread has been created to act as a summary of information for the widespread oil consumption problems with the 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines and provide answers to the most frequently asked questions. If you are new to the forum please read this before posting a new a thread.
What is the problem?
The early version of the TFSI petrol engines found in the A5, A4 and Q5 have an inherent design fault which leads to high consumption of oil.
The base problem seems to relate to the piston rings, which allow small amounts of oil to leak round the pistons into the cylinders, where it burns and therefore leads to high oil consumption. The typical way drivers become aware of this is when the 'add one litre of oil' notice comes up on the dashboard. When this comes up you don't need to immediately stop, but you should add a litre of correct grade oil as promptly as you can.
Over time this problem gets worse, and the range you can drive before needing to add oil steadily drops. In advanced cases there can be noticeable smoke from the exhaust under heavy acceleration, and it is also known to damage the actual cylinders themselves, causing scoring in the bores. One theory is that these grooves cause more and more oil to leak around the pistons, hence the problem gets progressively worse.
Note that the Audi specification for the 2.0 engines allows for a litre of oil to be used every 1242 miles, and they will not consider this level of usage to be a fault. This is written in the manual if you look in the section on oil. However, many 2.0 TFSI owners routinely get only around 500-600 miles, which is definitely out of spec.
(Other engines may have different specifications, please check your manual to confirm)
What engines are affected?
The 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines prior to 2012. Engine codes known to be affected include CAEB, CDNC and CNDC (list being updated). The problem seems to have been corrected when the facelift was released. But all A5 TFSI engines before that, i.e. 2008 - 2012, are susceptible.
The overwhelming majority of reports are for the 2.0, but 1.8 TFSI is also affected. There have been far fewer reports from 1.8 owners and information is harder to find. It is unclear whether this is because the 1.8 is less susceptible to the problem, or there are simply less 1.8 engines in existence.
Diesels engines are not affected, but there have been isolated reports of the larger petrol engines such as those found in the S5 also having an oil problem, but it's unclear if this is the same issue. Again, S5's are far less common than 2.0 TFSI A5s, so that may be the reason there are few reports of this.
I understand that there was a ea 113 engine , and a later ea888 engine
Is the problem unique to the ea888 engine only , ie is the ea113 engine unaffected by this problem?
The link above seems to suggest that both engines are cursed with the problem
thanks once again
2.0 TFSI Oil consumption problem - summary and FAQ
This thread has been created to act as a summary of information for the widespread oil consumption problems with the 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines and provide answers to the most frequently asked questions. If you are new to the forum please read this before posting a new a thread.
What is the problem?
The early version of the TFSI petrol engines found in the A5, A4 and Q5 have an inherent design fault which leads to high consumption of oil.
The base problem seems to relate to the piston rings, which allow small amounts of oil to leak round the pistons into the cylinders, where it burns and therefore leads to high oil consumption. The typical way drivers become aware of this is when the 'add one litre of oil' notice comes up on the dashboard. When this comes up you don't need to immediately stop, but you should add a litre of correct grade oil as promptly as you can.
Over time this problem gets worse, and the range you can drive before needing to add oil steadily drops. In advanced cases there can be noticeable smoke from the exhaust under heavy acceleration, and it is also known to damage the actual cylinders themselves, causing scoring in the bores. One theory is that these grooves cause more and more oil to leak around the pistons, hence the problem gets progressively worse.
Note that the Audi specification for the 2.0 engines allows for a litre of oil to be used every 1242 miles, and they will not consider this level of usage to be a fault. This is written in the manual if you look in the section on oil. However, many 2.0 TFSI owners routinely get only around 500-600 miles, which is definitely out of spec.
(Other engines may have different specifications, please check your manual to confirm)
What engines are affected?
The 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines prior to 2012. Engine codes known to be affected include CAEB, CDNC and CNDC (list being updated). The problem seems to have been corrected when the facelift was released. But all A5 TFSI engines before that, i.e. 2008 - 2012, are susceptible.
The overwhelming majority of reports are for the 2.0, but 1.8 TFSI is also affected. There have been far fewer reports from 1.8 owners and information is harder to find. It is unclear whether this is because the 1.8 is less susceptible to the problem, or there are simply less 1.8 engines in existence.
Diesels engines are not affected, but there have been isolated reports of the larger petrol engines such as those found in the S5 also having an oil problem, but it's unclear if this is the same issue. Again, S5's are far less common than 2.0 TFSI A5s, so that may be the reason there are few reports of this.
The following advice should be generally applicable for any owner with oil problems, but is primarily based on the experience of 2.0 owners. If you have a different engine and find information that contradicts this FAQ, please post below and I will update.
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2.0 TFSI Oil consumption problem - summary and FAQ
This thread has been created to act as a summary of information for the widespread oil consumption problems with the 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines and provide answers to the most frequently asked questions. If you are new to the forum please read this before posting a new a thread.
What is the problem?
The early version of the TFSI petrol engines found in the A5, A4 and Q5 have an inherent design fault which leads to high consumption of oil.
The base problem seems to relate to the piston rings, which allow small amounts of oil to leak round the pistons into the cylinders, where it burns and therefore leads to high oil consumption. The typical way drivers become aware of this is when the 'add one litre of oil' notice comes up on the dashboard. When this comes up you don't need to immediately stop, but you should add a litre of correct grade oil as promptly as you can.
Over time this problem gets worse, and the range you can drive before needing to add oil steadily drops. In advanced cases there can be noticeable smoke from the exhaust under heavy acceleration, and it is also known to damage the actual cylinders themselves, causing scoring in the bores. One theory is that these grooves cause more and more oil to leak around the pistons, hence the problem gets progressively worse.
Note that the Audi specification for the 2.0 engines allows for a litre of oil to be used every 1242 miles, and they will not consider this level of usage to be a fault. This is written in the manual if you look in the section on oil. However, many 2.0 TFSI owners routinely get only around 500-600 miles, which is definitely out of spec.
(Other engines may have different specifications, please check your manual to confirm)
What engines are affected?
The 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines prior to 2012. Engine codes known to be affected include CAEB, CDNC and CNDC (list being updated). The problem seems to have been corrected when the facelift was released. But all A5 TFSI engines before that, i.e. 2008 - 2012, are susceptible.
The overwhelming majority of reports are for the 2.0, but 1.8 TFSI is also affected. There have been far fewer reports from 1.8 owners and information is harder to find. It is unclear whether this is because the 1.8 is less susceptible to the problem, or there are simply less 1.8 engines in existence.
Diesels engines are not affected, but there have been isolated reports of the larger petrol engines such as those found in the S5 also having an oil problem, but it's unclear if this is the same issue. Again, S5's are far less common than 2.0 TFSI A5s, so that may be the reason there are few reports of this.
The following advice should be generally applicable for any owner with oil problems, but is primarily based on the experience of 2.0 owners. If you have a different engine and find information that contradicts this FAQ, please post below and I will update.
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2.0 TFSI Oil consumption problem - summary and FAQ
This thread has been created to act as a summary of information for the widespread oil consumption problems with the 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines and provide answers to the most frequently asked questions. If you are new to the forum please read this before posting a new a thread.
What is the problem?
The early version of the TFSI petrol engines found in the A5, A4 and Q5 have an inherent design fault which leads to high consumption of oil.
The base problem seems to relate to the piston rings, which allow small amounts of oil to leak round the pistons into the cylinders, where it burns and therefore leads to high oil consumption. The typical way drivers become aware of this is when the 'add one litre of oil' notice comes up on the dashboard. When this comes up you don't need to immediately stop, but you should add a litre of correct grade oil as promptly as you can.
Over time this problem gets worse, and the range you can drive before needing to add oil steadily drops. In advanced cases there can be noticeable smoke from the exhaust under heavy acceleration, and it is also known to damage the actual cylinders themselves, causing scoring in the bores. One theory is that these grooves cause more and more oil to leak around the pistons, hence the problem gets progressively worse.
Note that the Audi specification for the 2.0 engines allows for a litre of oil to be used every 1242 miles, and they will not consider this level of usage to be a fault. This is written in the manual if you look in the section on oil. However, many 2.0 TFSI owners routinely get only around 500-600 miles, which is definitely out of spec.
(Other engines may have different specifications, please check your manual to confirm)
What engines are affected?
The 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines prior to 2012. Engine codes known to be affected include CAEB, CDNC and CNDC (list being updated). The problem seems to have been corrected when the facelift was released. But all A5 TFSI engines before that, i.e. 2008 - 2012, are susceptible.
The overwhelming majority of reports are for the 2.0, but 1.8 TFSI is also affected. There have been far fewer reports from 1.8 owners and information is harder to find. It is unclear whether this is because the 1.8 is less susceptible to the problem, or there are simply less 1.8 engines in existence.
Diesels engines are not affected, but there have been isolated reports of the larger petrol engines such as those found in the S5 also having an oil problem, but it's unclear if this is the same issue. Again, S5's are far less common than 2.0 TFSI A5s, so that may be the reason there are few reports of this.
The following advice should be generally applicable for any owner with oil problems, but is primarily based on the experience of 2.0 owners. If you have a different engine and find information that contradicts this FAQ, please post below and I will update.
the problem is that googling thie issue brings up topics like that which I have copied below from the audi a5/s5 owners forum, which suggests that the early pre-2012 cars are similarly affected :
2.0 TFSI Oil consumption problem - summary and FAQ
This thread has been created to act as a summary of information for the widespread oil consumption problems with the 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines and provide answers to the most frequently asked questions. If you are new to the forum please read this before posting a new a thread.
What is the problem?
The early version of the TFSI petrol engines found in the A5, A4 and Q5 have an inherent design fault which leads to high consumption of oil.
The base problem seems to relate to the piston rings, which allow small amounts of oil to leak round the pistons into the cylinders, where it burns and therefore leads to high oil consumption. The typical way drivers become aware of this is when the 'add one litre of oil' notice comes up on the dashboard. When this comes up you don't need to immediately stop, but you should add a litre of correct grade oil as promptly as you can.
Over time this problem gets worse, and the range you can drive before needing to add oil steadily drops. In advanced cases there can be noticeable smoke from the exhaust under heavy acceleration, and it is also known to damage the actual cylinders themselves, causing scoring in the bores. One theory is that these grooves cause more and more oil to leak around the pistons, hence the problem gets progressively worse.
Note that the Audi specification for the 2.0 engines allows for a litre of oil to be used every 1242 miles, and they will not consider this level of usage to be a fault. This is written in the manual if you look in the section on oil. However, many 2.0 TFSI owners routinely get only around 500-600 miles, which is definitely out of spec.
(Other engines may have different specifications, please check your manual to confirm)
What engines are affected?
The 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines prior to 2012. Engine codes known to be affected include CAEB, CDNC and CNDC (list being updated). The problem seems to have been corrected when the facelift was released. But all A5 TFSI engines before that, i.e. 2008 - 2012, are susceptible.
The overwhelming majority of reports are for the 2.0, but 1.8 TFSI is also affected. There have been far fewer reports from 1.8 owners and information is harder to find. It is unclear whether this is because the 1.8 is less susceptible to the problem, or there are simply less 1.8 engines in existence.
Diesels engines are not affected, but there have been isolated reports of the larger petrol engines such as those found in the S5 also having an oil problem, but it's unclear if this is the same issue. Again, S5's are far less common than 2.0 TFSI A5s, so that may be the reason there are few reports of this.
I understand that there was a ea 113 engine , and a later ea888 engine
Is the problem unique to the ea888 engine only , ie is the ea113 engine unaffected by this problem?
The link above seems to suggest that both engines are cursed with the problem
thanks once again
2.0 TFSI Oil consumption problem - summary and FAQ
This thread has been created to act as a summary of information for the widespread oil consumption problems with the 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines and provide answers to the most frequently asked questions. If you are new to the forum please read this before posting a new a thread.
What is the problem?
The early version of the TFSI petrol engines found in the A5, A4 and Q5 have an inherent design fault which leads to high consumption of oil.
The base problem seems to relate to the piston rings, which allow small amounts of oil to leak round the pistons into the cylinders, where it burns and therefore leads to high oil consumption. The typical way drivers become aware of this is when the 'add one litre of oil' notice comes up on the dashboard. When this comes up you don't need to immediately stop, but you should add a litre of correct grade oil as promptly as you can.
Over time this problem gets worse, and the range you can drive before needing to add oil steadily drops. In advanced cases there can be noticeable smoke from the exhaust under heavy acceleration, and it is also known to damage the actual cylinders themselves, causing scoring in the bores. One theory is that these grooves cause more and more oil to leak around the pistons, hence the problem gets progressively worse.
Note that the Audi specification for the 2.0 engines allows for a litre of oil to be used every 1242 miles, and they will not consider this level of usage to be a fault. This is written in the manual if you look in the section on oil. However, many 2.0 TFSI owners routinely get only around 500-600 miles, which is definitely out of spec.
(Other engines may have different specifications, please check your manual to confirm)
What engines are affected?
The 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines prior to 2012. Engine codes known to be affected include CAEB, CDNC and CNDC (list being updated). The problem seems to have been corrected when the facelift was released. But all A5 TFSI engines before that, i.e. 2008 - 2012, are susceptible.
The overwhelming majority of reports are for the 2.0, but 1.8 TFSI is also affected. There have been far fewer reports from 1.8 owners and information is harder to find. It is unclear whether this is because the 1.8 is less susceptible to the problem, or there are simply less 1.8 engines in existence.
Diesels engines are not affected, but there have been isolated reports of the larger petrol engines such as those found in the S5 also having an oil problem, but it's unclear if this is the same issue. Again, S5's are far less common than 2.0 TFSI A5s, so that may be the reason there are few reports of this.
The following advice should be generally applicable for any owner with oil problems, but is primarily based on the experience of 2.0 owners. If you have a different engine and find information that contradicts this FAQ, please post below and I will update.
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2.0 TFSI Oil consumption problem - summary and FAQ
This thread has been created to act as a summary of information for the widespread oil consumption problems with the 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines and provide answers to the most frequently asked questions. If you are new to the forum please read this before posting a new a thread.
What is the problem?
The early version of the TFSI petrol engines found in the A5, A4 and Q5 have an inherent design fault which leads to high consumption of oil.
The base problem seems to relate to the piston rings, which allow small amounts of oil to leak round the pistons into the cylinders, where it burns and therefore leads to high oil consumption. The typical way drivers become aware of this is when the 'add one litre of oil' notice comes up on the dashboard. When this comes up you don't need to immediately stop, but you should add a litre of correct grade oil as promptly as you can.
Over time this problem gets worse, and the range you can drive before needing to add oil steadily drops. In advanced cases there can be noticeable smoke from the exhaust under heavy acceleration, and it is also known to damage the actual cylinders themselves, causing scoring in the bores. One theory is that these grooves cause more and more oil to leak around the pistons, hence the problem gets progressively worse.
Note that the Audi specification for the 2.0 engines allows for a litre of oil to be used every 1242 miles, and they will not consider this level of usage to be a fault. This is written in the manual if you look in the section on oil. However, many 2.0 TFSI owners routinely get only around 500-600 miles, which is definitely out of spec.
(Other engines may have different specifications, please check your manual to confirm)
What engines are affected?
The 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines prior to 2012. Engine codes known to be affected include CAEB, CDNC and CNDC (list being updated). The problem seems to have been corrected when the facelift was released. But all A5 TFSI engines before that, i.e. 2008 - 2012, are susceptible.
The overwhelming majority of reports are for the 2.0, but 1.8 TFSI is also affected. There have been far fewer reports from 1.8 owners and information is harder to find. It is unclear whether this is because the 1.8 is less susceptible to the problem, or there are simply less 1.8 engines in existence.
Diesels engines are not affected, but there have been isolated reports of the larger petrol engines such as those found in the S5 also having an oil problem, but it's unclear if this is the same issue. Again, S5's are far less common than 2.0 TFSI A5s, so that may be the reason there are few reports of this.
The following advice should be generally applicable for any owner with oil problems, but is primarily based on the experience of 2.0 owners. If you have a different engine and find information that contradicts this FAQ, please post below and I will update.
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2.0 TFSI Oil consumption problem - summary and FAQ
This thread has been created to act as a summary of information for the widespread oil consumption problems with the 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines and provide answers to the most frequently asked questions. If you are new to the forum please read this before posting a new a thread.
What is the problem?
The early version of the TFSI petrol engines found in the A5, A4 and Q5 have an inherent design fault which leads to high consumption of oil.
The base problem seems to relate to the piston rings, which allow small amounts of oil to leak round the pistons into the cylinders, where it burns and therefore leads to high oil consumption. The typical way drivers become aware of this is when the 'add one litre of oil' notice comes up on the dashboard. When this comes up you don't need to immediately stop, but you should add a litre of correct grade oil as promptly as you can.
Over time this problem gets worse, and the range you can drive before needing to add oil steadily drops. In advanced cases there can be noticeable smoke from the exhaust under heavy acceleration, and it is also known to damage the actual cylinders themselves, causing scoring in the bores. One theory is that these grooves cause more and more oil to leak around the pistons, hence the problem gets progressively worse.
Note that the Audi specification for the 2.0 engines allows for a litre of oil to be used every 1242 miles, and they will not consider this level of usage to be a fault. This is written in the manual if you look in the section on oil. However, many 2.0 TFSI owners routinely get only around 500-600 miles, which is definitely out of spec.
(Other engines may have different specifications, please check your manual to confirm)
What engines are affected?
The 2.0 and 1.8 TFSI engines prior to 2012. Engine codes known to be affected include CAEB, CDNC and CNDC (list being updated). The problem seems to have been corrected when the facelift was released. But all A5 TFSI engines before that, i.e. 2008 - 2012, are susceptible.
The overwhelming majority of reports are for the 2.0, but 1.8 TFSI is also affected. There have been far fewer reports from 1.8 owners and information is harder to find. It is unclear whether this is because the 1.8 is less susceptible to the problem, or there are simply less 1.8 engines in existence.
Diesels engines are not affected, but there have been isolated reports of the larger petrol engines such as those found in the S5 also having an oil problem, but it's unclear if this is the same issue. Again, S5's are far less common than 2.0 TFSI A5s, so that may be the reason there are few reports of this.
The following advice should be generally applicable for any owner with oil problems, but is primarily based on the experience of 2.0 owners. If you have a different engine and find information that contradicts this FAQ, please post below and I will update.
The excessive oil consumption and bore issues were experienced almost exclusively by the chain cam EA888 engines. It was typically in Longitudinal engine form, and generally in 2008-2012 cars.
The hybrid belt/chain EA113, like almost all direct injection engines, does burn a bit of oil but not massive quantities. They can exhibit higher than normal oil consumption if the PCV system fails, but nothing like the litre/500 mile figures reported by faulty EA888s. I think I top up a litre every 4k or do in mine, and that does lots of short runs.
The hybrid belt/chain EA113, like almost all direct injection engines, does burn a bit of oil but not massive quantities. They can exhibit higher than normal oil consumption if the PCV system fails, but nothing like the litre/500 mile figures reported by faulty EA888s. I think I top up a litre every 4k or do in mine, and that does lots of short runs.
carspath said:
thank you for all these helpful replies
do you know the period over which the ea113 engines were produced?
I know for certain that at least the early x bows were cambelt driven (which in turn means that they were not powered by the less reliable ea888engines )
thank you
I think EA113s 2.0 TFSIs are still in production. The higher motive output engines (so those used in the TTS, Mk6 Golf R and facelifted S3/Mk2 Leon) were produced until at least 2013, and I think there's a variant of it which was used in the Scirocco R until even later?do you know the period over which the ea113 engines were produced?
I know for certain that at least the early x bows were cambelt driven (which in turn means that they were not powered by the less reliable ea888engines )
thank you
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