Fabia 1.6TDI three failed Injectorz in 3 months
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Wondering what might be behind multiple injector failures. Coincidence or maybe metal debris in fuel?
Bought a 2010 Fabia 1.6 in September 2016, from a dealer and came with 3month warranty.
Very low milage, under 20k, had single owner who was now too old to drive.
Since buying, it's done more miles in 4months than the last 3 years combined.
After 6 weeks injector 3 failed - circuit fault.
Just after that, ran through some fuel system cleaner.
6 weeks later, a coulpe of days b4 warranty ended, injector 4 failed - circuit fault. Dealer thought this might have been due to their maybe disturbing it when number 3 was replaced - injectors 3 and 4 being grouped together.
Now, 7 weeks after fitting, incector 4 has failed again. The engine would not start, but there was a buzzing noise from injector 4, once disconnected the engine starts.
Don't know the fault code this time.
Though past warranty, the dealer has taken the car and is waiting for replacement from the supplier who may want to inspect it first.
A friend, a VW mechanic, says that misfueling a TDI can lead to metal debris in the fuel system due to lack of lubrication in the high pressure pump. When this happens, overall repair costs can be £4k-5k!
If that happens, the metal swarf can be seen. But on the Fabia it's not possible to inspect the fuel filter for swarf, as the two connection pipes both have bends. There wasn' time to look in the fuel tank for swarf before the dealer collected the car.
Friend didn't know if metal debris could cause injector circuit faults. Would debris making the injector stick cause the piezo to burn out?
I've seen other reports mentioning that the injector used, Siemens- 03L130277B, is unreliable. Then what chance that numbers 1. & 2 will soon fail also? Really don't need more breakdowns.
But if the car had been misfuelled, then we'd probably be best rid of it.
Bought a 2010 Fabia 1.6 in September 2016, from a dealer and came with 3month warranty.
Very low milage, under 20k, had single owner who was now too old to drive.
Since buying, it's done more miles in 4months than the last 3 years combined.
After 6 weeks injector 3 failed - circuit fault.
Just after that, ran through some fuel system cleaner.
6 weeks later, a coulpe of days b4 warranty ended, injector 4 failed - circuit fault. Dealer thought this might have been due to their maybe disturbing it when number 3 was replaced - injectors 3 and 4 being grouped together.
Now, 7 weeks after fitting, incector 4 has failed again. The engine would not start, but there was a buzzing noise from injector 4, once disconnected the engine starts.
Don't know the fault code this time.
Though past warranty, the dealer has taken the car and is waiting for replacement from the supplier who may want to inspect it first.
A friend, a VW mechanic, says that misfueling a TDI can lead to metal debris in the fuel system due to lack of lubrication in the high pressure pump. When this happens, overall repair costs can be £4k-5k!
If that happens, the metal swarf can be seen. But on the Fabia it's not possible to inspect the fuel filter for swarf, as the two connection pipes both have bends. There wasn' time to look in the fuel tank for swarf before the dealer collected the car.
Friend didn't know if metal debris could cause injector circuit faults. Would debris making the injector stick cause the piezo to burn out?
I've seen other reports mentioning that the injector used, Siemens- 03L130277B, is unreliable. Then what chance that numbers 1. & 2 will soon fail also? Really don't need more breakdowns.
But if the car had been misfuelled, then we'd probably be best rid of it.
Forget the "3 month" warranty, the law is your friend,
Consumer rights act, (paraphrased)
"
Between 30 days and 6 months
If a fault comes to light after 30 days but before 6 months have passed then you are entitled to a repair, replacement or refund. It is assumed in law that the fault was present at the time of purchase unless the seller can prove otherwise. During this period, unless you have agreed otherwise, the seller (dealer) has only one opportunity to repair (or replace) the faulty vehicle after which, if they fail to repair it, you are entitled to a refund.
In the event of a refund following a failed attempt at repair during the first six months the seller is permitted to make a 'reasonable' adjustment to the amount refunded to take account of the use that you have had of the vehicle since you bought it.
"
If it's suspected you are going to be in for a line of multiple faults over time, may be easier to reject it, as once the six-month mark is past you will be onto a harder fight to prove the faults were pre-existing and with a common cause.
Consumer rights act, (paraphrased)
"
Between 30 days and 6 months
If a fault comes to light after 30 days but before 6 months have passed then you are entitled to a repair, replacement or refund. It is assumed in law that the fault was present at the time of purchase unless the seller can prove otherwise. During this period, unless you have agreed otherwise, the seller (dealer) has only one opportunity to repair (or replace) the faulty vehicle after which, if they fail to repair it, you are entitled to a refund.
In the event of a refund following a failed attempt at repair during the first six months the seller is permitted to make a 'reasonable' adjustment to the amount refunded to take account of the use that you have had of the vehicle since you bought it.
"
If it's suspected you are going to be in for a line of multiple faults over time, may be easier to reject it, as once the six-month mark is past you will be onto a harder fight to prove the faults were pre-existing and with a common cause.
shtu said:
Forget the "3 month" warranty, the law is your friend,
Consumer rights act, (paraphrased)
"
Between 30 days and 6 months....................
Thanks, perhaps dealer is aware of that and is why they have taken car for repair after over 4 months.Consumer rights act, (paraphrased)
"
Between 30 days and 6 months....................
Getting an adjusted refund would be ideal.
Don't know if we can insist on refund if a repair is offered, but will try as act does include "the seller (dealer) has only one opportunity to repair (or replace) the faulty vehicle after which, if they fail to repair it, you are entitled to a refund".
Next question is what would be considered a 'reasonable' adjustment?
Checking the paperwork: Car had 22k on clock when bought, and has done 8-9k in the 5 months we've had it. And the first failure was after 3 weeks (not 6 weeks), at around 1500 miles, so can deem that the fault was present at time of purchase.
Edited by hungupdown on Tuesday 14th February 16:58
Edited by hungupdown on Tuesday 14th February 17:19
Thanks Danskoda,
New to SKoda/VWs
Is this the right location:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fabia+dosing+val...
And how much swarf / debris would you expect to see?
New to SKoda/VWs
Is this the right location:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fabia+dosing+val...
And how much swarf / debris would you expect to see?
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