Golf Mk3 VR6 -v- Ford Mondeo ST24

[roosevelt]

I pose a question,,,,

Which one would be faster to 60mph,,

fastest top end....?

What's the official bhp, bhp/weight ratio?

[anonymous-user]

2.5 V6 ST24 5d (RSAP) 2540 / 6 167BHP 139MPH 0-60 8.0

2.8 VR6 5d 2792 / 6 174BHP 140MPH 0-60 7.4

[ingham]

later vr6s have 185-190bhp due to the obd2 engine management
i have a late vr6 and never had any problems with any mondeo

[anonymous-user]

Not come up against a 220 Mondeo then? Even a 200 would give it a run for it's money

Edited by Dave_ST220 on Tuesday 24th July 17:28

[roosevelt]

Dave_ST220 said:

2.5 V6 ST24 5d (RSAP) 2540 / 6 167BHP 139MPH 0-60 8.0

2.8 VR6 5d 2792 / 6 174BHP 140MPH 0-60 7.4

Dave, what's RSAP? Do these figs relate to a 1999/2000 ST24??
You sound well versed, am I right that a ST200 has 200bhp?
Whatare the stats for the ST220??

[ingham]

st220
http://www.fastsaloons.com/cardetails.php?carlist=...
Ford Mondeo ST220 (0) 2967cc (217 bhp @ 6250rpm)
0-60.....8.5sec
1494kg

[Podie]

roosevelt said:

Dave, what's RSAP? Do these figs relate to a 1999/2000 ST24??
You sound well versed, am I right that a ST200 has 200bhp?
Whatare the stats for the ST220??

RSAP - Rallye Sport Appearance Pack (er... bodykit)

ST200 was claimed to have an output of 202ps, so yep, about 200bhp.

[ingham]

golf vr6 kg= 1180

golf has more bhp per ton (even at 174 bhp!)

see: http://www.letstorquebhp.com/fwd.asp

Edited by ingham on Tuesday 24th July 18:38

[ingham]

Dave_ST220 said:

Not come up against a 220 Mondeo then? Even a 200 would give it a run for it's money

if you want to try against a vr6 ....meet you at santa pod next rwyb day?
i am willing to take your money if you want a bet

Edited by Dave_ST220 on Tuesday 24th July 17:28

[anonymous-user]

ingham said:

st220
http://www.fastsaloons.com/cardetails.php?carlist=...
Ford Mondeo ST220 (0) 2967cc (217 bhp @ 6250rpm)
0-60.....8.5sec
1494kg

Not quite sure where you got those figures from but you are well off the mark!! Standard ST220's dyno @ 237ps without any problems at all(published figures are 226ps-229 BHP. Here's Ford's very own test data showing 237ps(240 BHP).0-60 8.5?? riggghhht.................6.9 is closer the mark.



With regard to your offer-i've never been to santa pod,if you honestly think you could take a 220 then good luck I know a few lads on the 220 forums that go there often-up for a run against one of them?? I'm sure the forum could arrange it.

[anonymous-user]

Podie said:

roosevelt said:

Dave, what's RSAP? Do these figs relate to a 1999/2000 ST24??
You sound well versed, am I right that a ST200 has 200bhp?
Whatare the stats for the ST220??

RSAP - Rallye Sport Appearance Pack (er... bodykit)

ST200 was claimed to have an output of 202ps, so yep, about 200bhp.

All of them seem to dyno @ 197BHP in standard form.

[anonymous-user]

ingham said:

golf vr6 kg= 1180

golf has more bhp per ton (even at 174 bhp!)

see: http://www.letstorquebhp.com/fwd.asp

Edited by ingham on Tuesday 24th July 18:38

On that site is says the 220 is 1550Kg(actual for 4 door saloon is 1485!) 5 door hatch is 1490) Estate is 1549 so i'd guess that is the car they tested???

[NST]

when i had my 6sp ST220, a good friend of mine had a really nice late black VR6.. we never did any specific tests against the two cars but the usual slip lane to motorway entry found the ST220 to have a slight advantage. In his own opinion he thought my ST220 was faster at high speeds.i pretty sure that a early or late model VR6 would have a slight advantage over a ST24 just like how a ST220 has a slight advantage over a VR6.

[Podie]

Dave_ST220 said:

Podie said:

roosevelt said:

Dave, what's RSAP? Do these figs relate to a 1999/2000 ST24??
You sound well versed, am I right that a ST200 has 200bhp?
Whatare the stats for the ST220??

RSAP - Rallye Sport Appearance Pack (er... bodykit)

ST200 was claimed to have an output of 202ps, so yep, about 200bhp.

All of them seem to dyno @ 197BHP in standardrm.

Key points highlighted in bold...

[anonymous-user]

Podie-a guy on our forums has got 237BHP out of his ST200, i am talking about standard cars as that is the fairest way to compare between

Edited by Dave_ST220 on Wednesday 25th July 13:55

[anonymous-user]

NST said:

when i had my 6sp ST220, a good friend of mine had a really nice late black VR6.. we never did any specific tests against the two cars but the usual slip lane to motorway entry found the ST220 to have a slight advantage. In his own opinion he thought my ST220 was faster at high speeds.i pretty sure that a early or late model VR6 would have a slight advantage over a ST24 just like how a ST220 has a slight advantage over a VR6.

That would be my thinking, the gearing on the 6 speed is superb-each change brings the revs back to where the power band is-it goes like a train! Seeing as my 220 is MUCH quicker than my old 2.5 v6(not an ST24 but identical engine, apart from the mods like chip etc!) i don't think an ST24 would keep up with the VR6. Figures don't always tell the whole story mind...........

[Crimp a Length]

Having driven both Ford & VW and plenty of fast cars i would say a VR6 would see off the Mondeo, The Germans are always conservative on the figs and the Blue oval suits tend to do a lot of chest beating.

[anonymous-user]

Crimp a Length said:

Having driven both Ford & VW and plenty of fast cars i would say a VR6 would see off the Mondeo, The Germans are always conservative on the figs and the Blue oval suits tend to do a lot of chest beating.

Which Mondeo? ST24 maybe, ST200 doubt it, ST220 no chance!

[anonymous-user]

ingham said:

Dave_ST220 said:

Not come up against a 220 Mondeo then? Even a 200 would give it a run for it's money

if you want to try against a vr6 ....meet you at santa pod next rwyb day?
i am willing to take your money if you want a bet

Edited by Dave_ST220 on Tuesday 24th July 17:28

One of the ST220 owners on our forum is up for this-let me know what date you are looking at and i can make sure he can make it

[iguana]

Dave_ST220 said:

Podie-a guy on our forums has got 237BHP out of his ST200, i am talking about standard cars as that is the fairest way to compare between

Edited by Dave_ST220 on Wednesday 25th July 13:55

Rolling road figs can be so varying as to be meaningless for anything other checking gains on before/after mods runs on the same car as unless you all use the same rollers- (& even then they can do some odd things with trans loss coast down figs & temp adjustments) on the same day.

Same Golf 3 diferent rolling roads at diferent establishments no mods in between, 171, 180, 193 bhp take ya pick!