2.7 or 3.0 TDi A6 Avant???
Discussion
Hi,
Looking at buying a 05 to 07 plate Audi A6 Quattro Avant and wondering if there is much difference between the 2.7 TDi and the 3L. The Audi will be our second car and be used on family holidays to France as well as local supermarket shopper etc. My everyday car is an XJR so although I'm aware neither of these will feel particulary quick, I'm a bit concerned about buying something that feels really slow. Haven't driven either yet, as every dealer I phone as 'just sold it' and the local Audi dealers aren't running any as demonstrators at the moment.
So, is there much in it between the 2 engines, and as 2.7L seem a lot more common on the market - has anyone chipped one?
Thanks
Igg
Looking at buying a 05 to 07 plate Audi A6 Quattro Avant and wondering if there is much difference between the 2.7 TDi and the 3L. The Audi will be our second car and be used on family holidays to France as well as local supermarket shopper etc. My everyday car is an XJR so although I'm aware neither of these will feel particulary quick, I'm a bit concerned about buying something that feels really slow. Haven't driven either yet, as every dealer I phone as 'just sold it' and the local Audi dealers aren't running any as demonstrators at the moment.
So, is there much in it between the 2 engines, and as 2.7L seem a lot more common on the market - has anyone chipped one?
Thanks
Igg
I tried both and went for the 3.0 (saloon). Tried all sorts before hand (inc the A5, BMW, Mercs)
2.7 comes as both multi-tronic and manual. Avoid multi-tronic (search for the reasons)
3.0 only comes in tiptronic
3.0 tiptronic is an excellent engine/gearbox comination with paddles to play with if you get bored. I've done over 28k in mine this year, including a 5k trip to Europe and it's been brilliant. Good MPG for size of car, handles the snow and ice well; effortless cruiser.
I suspect the 3.0 may hold it's value better long term; they seem to have a fair premium at purchase.
Editted to add: unless your roads are smooth, or you like a really firm ride, I found the SE spec (17" wheels instead of 18"s) rides better in the UK. The Sline looks better, and probably lovely in Germany, but not on Yorkshire roads!
2.7 comes as both multi-tronic and manual. Avoid multi-tronic (search for the reasons)
3.0 only comes in tiptronic
3.0 tiptronic is an excellent engine/gearbox comination with paddles to play with if you get bored. I've done over 28k in mine this year, including a 5k trip to Europe and it's been brilliant. Good MPG for size of car, handles the snow and ice well; effortless cruiser.
I suspect the 3.0 may hold it's value better long term; they seem to have a fair premium at purchase.
Editted to add: unless your roads are smooth, or you like a really firm ride, I found the SE spec (17" wheels instead of 18"s) rides better in the UK. The Sline looks better, and probably lovely in Germany, but not on Yorkshire roads!
Edited by plg101 on Thursday 7th January 17:46
Many thanks - was leaning towards the 3.0L partly because I couldn't resist the extra horsepower, plus I like the idea of the gearbox. Most on the market seem to be the S line, but we're used to driving BMW's on runflat tires, and the Jag runs on low profile 20inch wheels, so I guess the S line spec with the 19inch wheels will probably seem about the same!
Many thanks
Igg
Many thanks
Igg
Igg said:
Many thanks - was leaning towards the 3.0L partly because I couldn't resist the extra horsepower, plus I like the idea of the gearbox. Most on the market seem to be the S line, but we're used to driving BMW's on runflat tires, and the Jag runs on low profile 20inch wheels, so I guess the S line spec with the 19inch wheels will probably seem about the same!
Many thanks
Igg
No probs. With the Audi network, I went a bit further afield for mine - found the Lincoln group (small chain) were very competitive and moving cars all about the country. Have had bad sales experiences with Sytner group Audi but strangely brilliant aftersales (local Sytner Audi does any warranty / servicing and couldn't be better - an I'm very fussy about customer service) Many thanks
Igg
If you have the option for and budget to buy a 3.0 over a 2.7 then I'd take the larger engine every single time.
Fuel economy is the same but a much nicer car to drive.
Comments on desirability and value are correct; can't get enough of them for stock and most go over the phone to all corners of the country.
Fuel economy is the same but a much nicer car to drive.
Comments on desirability and value are correct; can't get enough of them for stock and most go over the phone to all corners of the country.
I have the 2.7 Avant , manual. SE with a few options.
I have not driven the 3.0 so I can't really offer a comparison but as the 2.7 is less expensive it represents good value for money .I think it's a very smooth refined engine. I don't usually hold on to cars for long but the A6 has really grown on me. It's a bit bland at first glance but it's very well screwed together and does all you ask it to. Large load space when needed , 5 comfy seats with class leading legroom in the rear , Dog guard & load cover built in. Add sat nav and bluetooth phone and in my case , retractable tow bar and you really couldn't ask for more.
I think this one will be a keeper as it's a really good all rounder , certainly as a dog owner it's essential to have an estate.
When I was looking for this just over a year ago the equivalent 3.0 Quattro (Tip) with at least matching spec ie mmi / sat nav / valcona lthr / bluetooth was £16-17k , I gave £10.5k for mine and I really have no regrets , the money I saved almost paid for my weekend/fun car.
I have not driven the 3.0 so I can't really offer a comparison but as the 2.7 is less expensive it represents good value for money .I think it's a very smooth refined engine. I don't usually hold on to cars for long but the A6 has really grown on me. It's a bit bland at first glance but it's very well screwed together and does all you ask it to. Large load space when needed , 5 comfy seats with class leading legroom in the rear , Dog guard & load cover built in. Add sat nav and bluetooth phone and in my case , retractable tow bar and you really couldn't ask for more.
I think this one will be a keeper as it's a really good all rounder , certainly as a dog owner it's essential to have an estate.
When I was looking for this just over a year ago the equivalent 3.0 Quattro (Tip) with at least matching spec ie mmi / sat nav / valcona lthr / bluetooth was £16-17k , I gave £10.5k for mine and I really have no regrets , the money I saved almost paid for my weekend/fun car.
A few spec pointers for you:
- 2.7 comes as both front wheel drive and quattro
- 3.0 is available as a manual but is rarer. Most will say the tiptronic holds its value better but I'd say the rarity of the manual probably compensates. Better mpg and tax bracket on the manual too...annoyingly our tiptronic slips into the top road tax bracket by just one point of CO2 :-/ I think more recent versions managed to just get under this bracket but not sure when they came in (probably the last year).
If you are happy with a firm ride it's worth looking out for a Le Mans spec car as they have a few nice extras as standard and often form the basis for a high spec car. Be prepared to travel the country and act very fast indeed if you see one you want - took us about 3-4 months to find ours.
- 2.7 comes as both front wheel drive and quattro
- 3.0 is available as a manual but is rarer. Most will say the tiptronic holds its value better but I'd say the rarity of the manual probably compensates. Better mpg and tax bracket on the manual too...annoyingly our tiptronic slips into the top road tax bracket by just one point of CO2 :-/ I think more recent versions managed to just get under this bracket but not sure when they came in (probably the last year).
If you are happy with a firm ride it's worth looking out for a Le Mans spec car as they have a few nice extras as standard and often form the basis for a high spec car. Be prepared to travel the country and act very fast indeed if you see one you want - took us about 3-4 months to find ours.
How many miles do you do??
I went through all this and bought a 3.2fsi petrol. Quattro tiptronic.
I came from a 535d sport touring and the economy is the same.
I get around 26mpg nipping round, 32/34 on a run, and drops to 24ish on short trips round town and in the cold.
I was getting around 2-3mpg more from the 3,.0tdi loaner I had, plus the diesel was a lot nose heavier, wasn't quite as quick and just doesn't feel anywhere near refined.
At the same time, when I was looking, the premium for the diesel put it as £130 a month more in payments, £250 a month vs £380, that was on a 3 year old car with 30k miles on it.
I actually went to Peterborough Audi to test a nice S-Line 3.0tdi they had, and came away with the 3.2 SE. The S-Line ride was far nastier than the 535d on run flats, extremely crashy with no real benefit handling wise over the SE.
Only problem with the SE is the lack of sport seats, I bought a pair for mine though off ebay, much nicer than the SE seats.
I do 30k miles a year in the difference in price each month pays for the extra fuel used over the diesel, the extended warranty, insurance and the road tax.
I only keep my cars for 6-12 months, however, had this a year and just renewed the warranty for another year, I really, really like it.
Would consider selling it for a 3.0T as they look great fun with an MTM chip, but for now it is a keeper.
I went through all this and bought a 3.2fsi petrol. Quattro tiptronic.
I came from a 535d sport touring and the economy is the same.
I get around 26mpg nipping round, 32/34 on a run, and drops to 24ish on short trips round town and in the cold.
I was getting around 2-3mpg more from the 3,.0tdi loaner I had, plus the diesel was a lot nose heavier, wasn't quite as quick and just doesn't feel anywhere near refined.
At the same time, when I was looking, the premium for the diesel put it as £130 a month more in payments, £250 a month vs £380, that was on a 3 year old car with 30k miles on it.
I actually went to Peterborough Audi to test a nice S-Line 3.0tdi they had, and came away with the 3.2 SE. The S-Line ride was far nastier than the 535d on run flats, extremely crashy with no real benefit handling wise over the SE.
Only problem with the SE is the lack of sport seats, I bought a pair for mine though off ebay, much nicer than the SE seats.
I do 30k miles a year in the difference in price each month pays for the extra fuel used over the diesel, the extended warranty, insurance and the road tax.
I only keep my cars for 6-12 months, however, had this a year and just renewed the warranty for another year, I really, really like it.
Would consider selling it for a 3.0T as they look great fun with an MTM chip, but for now it is a keeper.
UVB said:
A few spec pointers for you:
- 2.7 comes as both front wheel drive and quattro
- 3.0 is available as a manual but is rarer. Most will say the tiptronic holds its value better but I'd say the rarity of the manual probably compensates. Better mpg and tax bracket on the manual too...annoyingly our tiptronic slips into the top road tax bracket by just one point of CO2 :-/ I think more recent versions managed to just get under this bracket but not sure when they came in (probably the last year).
If you are happy with a firm ride it's worth looking out for a Le Mans spec car as they have a few nice extras as standard and often form the basis for a high spec car. Be prepared to travel the country and act very fast indeed if you see one you want - took us about 3-4 months to find ours.
3.0 in manual is news to me - is that a newish addition to the range (I know the A5 has a 3.0 manual which I have driven) - I didn't think the older specs had them available (mine is 55 plate). If tax and running cost aren't so much an issue, I would still recommend the tiptronic box for effortless cruising, and it is pretty smart around town.- 2.7 comes as both front wheel drive and quattro
- 3.0 is available as a manual but is rarer. Most will say the tiptronic holds its value better but I'd say the rarity of the manual probably compensates. Better mpg and tax bracket on the manual too...annoyingly our tiptronic slips into the top road tax bracket by just one point of CO2 :-/ I think more recent versions managed to just get under this bracket but not sure when they came in (probably the last year).
If you are happy with a firm ride it's worth looking out for a Le Mans spec car as they have a few nice extras as standard and often form the basis for a high spec car. Be prepared to travel the country and act very fast indeed if you see one you want - took us about 3-4 months to find ours.
I went for the 3.0tdi. The 2.7 wasnt cheaper by enough and the multitronic gearbox is a big worry. I drove both and found the 3.0 pulled better and was noticeably quicker when overtaking. Fuel economy seemed much the same. Quattro is well worth having particularly in the wet.
Mine is an 07 plate and I don't pay the highest level of road tax
Mine is an 07 plate and I don't pay the highest level of road tax
Edited by blueg33 on Friday 8th January 11:04
plg101 said:
3.0 in manual is news to me - is that a newish addition to the range (I know the A5 has a 3.0 manual which I have driven) - I didn't think the older specs had them available (mine is 55 plate). If tax and running cost aren't so much an issue, I would still recommend the tiptronic box for effortless cruising, and it is pretty smart around town.
It might only be on the diesels; just checked on Autotrader and there's half a dozen or so 3.0tdi's around with manual going back to 2006/55 plate on the new shape car. I'd agree that the tiptronic is excellent; only other negative I can think of aside from the running costs is the delay from hitting a paddle to change gear to it actually happening - but this is easy to get used to as you just anticipate rather than expect it immediately.plg101 said:
Igg said:
Many thanks - was leaning towards the 3.0L partly because I couldn't resist the extra horsepower, plus I like the idea of the gearbox. Most on the market seem to be the S line, but we're used to driving BMW's on runflat tires, and the Jag runs on low profile 20inch wheels, so I guess the S line spec with the 19inch wheels will probably seem about the same!
Many thanks
Igg
No probs. With the Audi network, I went a bit further afield for mine - found the Lincoln group (small chain) were very competitive and moving cars all about the country. Have had bad sales experiences with Sytner group Audi but strangely brilliant aftersales (local Sytner Audi does any warranty / servicing and couldn't be better - an I'm very fussy about customer service) Many thanks
Igg
UVB said:
plg101 said:
3.0 in manual is news to me - is that a newish addition to the range (I know the A5 has a 3.0 manual which I have driven) - I didn't think the older specs had them available (mine is 55 plate). If tax and running cost aren't so much an issue, I would still recommend the tiptronic box for effortless cruising, and it is pretty smart around town.
It might only be on the diesels; just checked on Autotrader and there's half a dozen or so 3.0tdi's around with manual going back to 2006/55 plate on the new shape car. I'd agree that the tiptronic is excellent; only other negative I can think of aside from the running costs is the delay from hitting a paddle to change gear to it actually happening - but this is easy to get used to as you just anticipate rather than expect it immediately.Dilligaf10 said:
diesel piston said:
The 2.7 motor is based on the old 2.5 V6 TDi
No it's not! Same basic engine as the 3.0Tdi.3.0 has always been available with a manual box but they only sold in tiny numbers.
3.2 quattro is a great car
Dr G said:
Dilligaf10 said:
diesel piston said:
The 2.7 motor is based on the old 2.5 V6 TDi
No it's not! Same basic engine as the 3.0Tdi.3.0 has always been available with a manual box but they only sold in tiny numbers.
3.2 quattro is a great car
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