Extended Warranty on 4.2 litre Audi's - £1655 per annum
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I have just found out that the cost 1 year extended warranty on 4.2+ litre Audi's is a staggerinng £1655 per annum for mileage limited to 15, and £2149 for unlimited mileage.
Warranty on BMW M Cars & Porsche costs less than a grand.
So why is the Audi warranty so expensive?
Warranty on BMW M Cars & Porsche costs less than a grand.
So why is the Audi warranty so expensive?
Edited by Mermaid on Friday 12th February 14:46
And they'll only provide warranty if you have a 100% bombproof Audi Service History.
Its so expensive because of: R8 arriving on scene and the C5 RS6 costing so much to repair.
RS6 example -
DRC Suspension that is £1200 a corner to fix - needs replacing almost yearly.
Gearboxes are between £5300 and £7000 depending on new or recon - you never know when or if it'll go.
Thermostat / water pump requires full belt change at between £1000 and £1500 (part is about £30).
Alternator is £2500 due to the likelyhood of the repair upsetting the intercooler hoses and intercooler itself (ive been there).
And much more.
I think Audi are the only ones offering cover for the RS6 now as so many others have pulled out due to costs. Im still with warranty Direct (the only decent aftermarket cover) but they only do renewals now.
Its so expensive because of: R8 arriving on scene and the C5 RS6 costing so much to repair.
RS6 example -
DRC Suspension that is £1200 a corner to fix - needs replacing almost yearly.
Gearboxes are between £5300 and £7000 depending on new or recon - you never know when or if it'll go.
Thermostat / water pump requires full belt change at between £1000 and £1500 (part is about £30).
Alternator is £2500 due to the likelyhood of the repair upsetting the intercooler hoses and intercooler itself (ive been there).
And much more.
I think Audi are the only ones offering cover for the RS6 now as so many others have pulled out due to costs. Im still with warranty Direct (the only decent aftermarket cover) but they only do renewals now.
Be aware a lot of cheaper waranties exist and wont pay the main dealer labour rate, and or have a price cap on each claim, when the Audi Warranty doesnt.
A customer came in the other day, had been sold what he thought was a good warranty. We diagnosed a faulty turbo, when we applied on his behalf for the repair his waranty was upto £40 per hour labour and £500 max.
Part alone was more than £1000 and our labour rate is £100+vat.
The warranties are very expensive and do depend on model and milage. Some are less than £900. But they can be worth every penny. We had a customer who recently got a 1 year extention and then needed a new engine (2.0TDI) £3800 billed to warranty.
A customer came in the other day, had been sold what he thought was a good warranty. We diagnosed a faulty turbo, when we applied on his behalf for the repair his waranty was upto £40 per hour labour and £500 max.
Part alone was more than £1000 and our labour rate is £100+vat.
The warranties are very expensive and do depend on model and milage. Some are less than £900. But they can be worth every penny. We had a customer who recently got a 1 year extention and then needed a new engine (2.0TDI) £3800 billed to warranty.
Tame Technician said:
Be aware a lot of cheaper waranties exist and wont pay the main dealer labour rate, and or have a price cap on each claim, when the Audi Warranty doesnt.
A customer came in the other day, had been sold what he thought was a good warranty. We diagnosed a faulty turbo, when we applied on his behalf for the repair his waranty was upto £40 per hour labour and £500 max.
Part alone was more than £1000 and our labour rate is £100+vat.
The warranties are very expensive and do depend on model and milage. Some are less than £900. But they can be worth every penny. We had a customer who recently got a 1 year extention and then needed a new engine (2.0TDI) £3800 billed to warranty.
My question is - why is an Audi warranty for an S4 4.2 far more expensive than a BMW warranty for an M5 or a Porsche warranty for a 911? Do they suffer more mechanical failures, for the labour rates sound below those for a BMW/Porsche?A customer came in the other day, had been sold what he thought was a good warranty. We diagnosed a faulty turbo, when we applied on his behalf for the repair his waranty was upto £40 per hour labour and £500 max.
Part alone was more than £1000 and our labour rate is £100+vat.
The warranties are very expensive and do depend on model and milage. Some are less than £900. But they can be worth every penny. We had a customer who recently got a 1 year extention and then needed a new engine (2.0TDI) £3800 billed to warranty.
Edited by Mermaid on Friday 12th February 19:16
Porsche parts are often sourced from the same companies (or are exactly the same) as Audi. So no reason there, I imagine the BMW would be a fraction more reliable than the other two, but only just.
At the end or the day the warranty is an insurance policy, so regardless who's names on the paper work, an insurance company somewhere down the line sets the premium.
They must beleive there is more of a risk if the premiums higher. But it could simply come down to the number of claims, There are going to be more Audi's on the road than Porsche's.
At the end or the day the warranty is an insurance policy, so regardless who's names on the paper work, an insurance company somewhere down the line sets the premium.
They must beleive there is more of a risk if the premiums higher. But it could simply come down to the number of claims, There are going to be more Audi's on the road than Porsche's.
Tame Technician said:
Porsche parts are often sourced from the same companies (or are exactly the same) as Audi. So no reason there, I imagine the BMW would be a fraction more reliable than the other two, but only just..
Says an honest Audi technician. I like it.Tame Technician said:
At the end or the day the warranty is an insurance policy, so regardless who's names on the paper work, an insurance company somewhere down the line sets the premium..
Insurers have underwriters, what they are doing (based on facts) is saying Greece is not as good a bet as Germany. or that BMW's are more reliable. That's worryingTame Technician said:
They must beleive there is more of a risk if the premiums higher. But it could simply come down to the number of claims, There are going to be more Audi's on the road than Porsche's.
More Audi's means a bigger pool of premiums so that does not wash too well. I suspect it is what you suggest - they believe the risk is greater, or are just plain greedy and believe the Brand strength can carry this through.
blueg33 said:
Audi can expect to be hearing from me!
Good luck geting help from any VAG related company.I wonder if part of the cost is that they're trying to get people to factor in £100/mth warranty, plus dearer servicing costs (of course, unlike the original warranty, you're stuck with dealer servicing with an extended warranty) plus ongoing depreciation, means you're probably not a million miles away from it being cost effective to just buy a new car.
Mercedes used to have a fantastic package called ServicePlus - basically it includes all servicing and repairs and covers everything except tyres for 6 years/120K miles. But it was putting people off changing cars!
Deva Link said:
I wonder if part of the cost is that they're trying to get people to factor in £100/mth warranty, plus dearer servicing costs (of course, unlike the original warranty, you're stuck with dealer servicing with an extended warranty) plus ongoing depreciation, means you're probably not a million miles away from it being cost effective to just buy a new car.
Mercedes used to have a fantastic package called ServicePlus - basically it includes all servicing and repairs and covers everything except tyres for 6 years/120K miles. But it was putting people off changing cars!
You are right. My local dealer told me Audi strategy was to Mercedes used to have a fantastic package called ServicePlus - basically it includes all servicing and repairs and covers everything except tyres for 6 years/120K miles. But it was putting people off changing cars!
For at £1655 per annum, that is worth £5k to put towards a new car.
Edited by Mermaid on Saturday 13th February 11:21
Love the new RS6, its really is a fantastic bit of kit. And I really wouldnt just say that because I work at an Audi dealer.
So far they have been significantly more reliably that the older RS6's in the same sort of time scale/milages. Obviously I dont know what going to happen when they get older/higher miles.
But if your buying a car with a £10k engine and a £7k gearbox, somthing like 27 diferent ECU's and 3 different networks, I'd seriously consider the propper Audi waranty.
So far they have been significantly more reliably that the older RS6's in the same sort of time scale/milages. Obviously I dont know what going to happen when they get older/higher miles.
But if your buying a car with a £10k engine and a £7k gearbox, somthing like 27 diferent ECU's and 3 different networks, I'd seriously consider the propper Audi waranty.
Tame Technician said:
Love the new RS6, its really is a fantastic bit of kit. And I really wouldnt just say that because I work at an Audi dealer.
So far they have been significantly more reliably that the older RS6's in the same sort of time scale/milages. Obviously I dont know what going to happen when they get older/higher miles.
But if your buying a car with a £10k engine and a £7k gearbox, somthing like 27 diferent ECU's and 3 different networks, I'd seriously consider the propper Audi waranty.
Appreciate your input as an Audi specialist.So far they have been significantly more reliably that the older RS6's in the same sort of time scale/milages. Obviously I dont know what going to happen when they get older/higher miles.
But if your buying a car with a £10k engine and a £7k gearbox, somthing like 27 diferent ECU's and 3 different networks, I'd seriously consider the propper Audi waranty.
What do you reckon on the RS4 - is it the same sort of story?
RS4 has suspention issues that dont seem to effect new RS6 (yet), although systems are similar. Search DRC
RS4 Engines dont seem to make the quoted power figures, but you could never say that lack any power.
RS4 has two addition engine coolant radiators that dont last long and leak.
RS4 Is more focused and handles better than RS6, but doesnt ride very nice in comparison.
I think the RS6 is just a bit more special (I had worked at Audi for a long time before I stoped saying, "its not as good as an XJR") If I wanted something as focused as an RS4, I'd wont to go sideways in it, and you cant, so I think I'd probable get an M3. If I wanted something that was loony fast but could drive it all day RS6 is it.
Basically RS6 is a bit like a Jaguar XJR, very fast, completely effortless, big inside, firm yet compliant/agreable ride too.
RS4 is a bit like an Evo, faster round a circuit, but hasher ride, not so spacious inside. Manual gearbox is great, ratios are spaced just so the engine is always on song.
You simply have to Drive both, they are very different.
RS4 Engines dont seem to make the quoted power figures, but you could never say that lack any power.
RS4 has two addition engine coolant radiators that dont last long and leak.
RS4 Is more focused and handles better than RS6, but doesnt ride very nice in comparison.
I think the RS6 is just a bit more special (I had worked at Audi for a long time before I stoped saying, "its not as good as an XJR") If I wanted something as focused as an RS4, I'd wont to go sideways in it, and you cant, so I think I'd probable get an M3. If I wanted something that was loony fast but could drive it all day RS6 is it.
Basically RS6 is a bit like a Jaguar XJR, very fast, completely effortless, big inside, firm yet compliant/agreable ride too.
RS4 is a bit like an Evo, faster round a circuit, but hasher ride, not so spacious inside. Manual gearbox is great, ratios are spaced just so the engine is always on song.
You simply have to Drive both, they are very different.
Tame Technician said:
RS4 has suspention issues that dont seem to effect new RS6 (yet), although systems are similar. Search DRC.
Some quite ugly tales. Most of the RS4's are probably out of warranty, so what happens to cars that are not in Audi warranty. is DRC worth keeping, or is there a better alternative?Tame Technician said:
RS4 Engines dont seem to make the quoted power figures, but you could never say that lack any power..
They are supposed to make 420. What do they make? Is there a way of ensuring they make the stated power? Why is Audi telling porkies about the power, is it to trying to be as good as BMW on it's engine prowess?Tame Technician said:
RS4 has two addition engine coolant radiators that dont last long and leak..
When you say they don't last long, do you mean it's an annual service item? Cost? How do you tell if they are leaking?Tame Technician said:
RS4 Is more focused and handles better than RS6, but doesnt ride very nice in comparison..
I find that interesting. As i understood it, the RS4 engine was too far forward and ahead of the front wheels, where as in the RS6, the engine is better positioned as it is in the latest B8 S4. So how come the RS4 handles better than an RS6 - is it all to do with weight?Tame Technician said:
I think the RS6 is just a bit more special (I had worked at Audi for a long time before I stoped saying, "its not as good as an XJR") If I wanted something as focused as an RS4, I'd wont to go sideways in it, and you cant, so I think I'd probable get an M3. If I wanted something that was loony fast but could drive it all day RS6 is it..
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. So are you suggesting an M3 (E46 or E90/92?) handles better than the best handling RS Audi. You could go loony fast in an M5/M5Touring/M6 too.Tame Technician said:
Basically RS6 is a bit like a Jaguar XJR, very fast, completely effortless, big inside, firm yet compliant/agreable ride too.
RS4 is a bit like an Evo, faster round a circuit, but hasher ride, not so spacious inside. Manual gearbox is great, ratios are spaced just so the engine is always on song..
But would a manual M3 not run rings round the RS4 at a track (less weight, 2 wd, better weight balance).RS4 is a bit like an Evo, faster round a circuit, but hasher ride, not so spacious inside. Manual gearbox is great, ratios are spaced just so the engine is always on song..
Tame Technician said:
You simply have to Drive both, they are very different.
Good suggestion, and to also compare with the not to be repeated V8 M3 & the V10 M5. Cheers
Mermaid said:
Tame Technician said:
RS4 Engines dont seem to make the quoted power figures, but you could never say that lack any power..
They are supposed to make 420. What do they make? Is there a way of ensuring they make the stated power? Why is Audi telling porkies about the power, is it to trying to be as good as BMW on it's engine prowess?Cheers
There are a couple of methods to cure this but most are only temporary measures. Some tuners offer a cleaning service but caking happens quickly and progressively after. A turbo conversion would cure this also, with the increased inlet prssure but i dont think anyone has achieved a conversion yet.
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