Touran using coolant
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Ray Singh

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261 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2010
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Following on from this thread: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

My 04 plate Touran 2.0 TDI is still using coolant. I read on the internet that headgasket or cylinder head is notlikely failiure point and that it can be the coolant flange on the side of the engine leaking or the waterpump bearings/seals failing.

Please can anyone help me with this?

Ray Singh

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Tuesday 23rd February 2010
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Spoke to VW UK today, who gave me a link to this: https://erwin.volkswagen.de/erwin/showHome.do;jses....

Does anyone have access to this?

What sort of information does it contain?


Tame Technician

2,467 posts

235 months

Tuesday 23rd February 2010
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2.0TDI, I would look at this first.

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

Have you pressure tested the cooling system and check for leaks, If its coming out the flange or the water pump there would be a masivly obvious outward leak.

If its leaking internally (using coolant with no visable outward leaks), it can be a porus cylinder head (we do a few of them) but 9 time out of ten its the EGR cooler leaking internally.

Erwin will give you acess to the workshop manual type information similar to what we have available at dealer level, (very sufull if you know what your looking at) and it will let you look at TPI's for your car. (which will probably just scare you)


Ray Singh

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Tuesday 27th April 2010
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Thanks for the help all who responded.

I dropped the car off at the main stealer today. They will look at the EGR and then move onto the head if its not the EGR.

I will post the details of their finding as and when.


Ray Singh

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Thursday 29th April 2010
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Mann Egerton in Swindon have stripped the car down and found that the EGR is not at fault.

Current bill stands at £430 and they are now suspecting a new Head is required. This will cost in total £1900 plus the £430 already spent.

I have contacted VW who have mentioned that they might pay something towards the cost, but cant guarantee how much.

Im fast loosing the will to live and the car has 85k miles on the clock, so worth perhaps £6.5 to £7k?
Spending £2k on it, will do me no favours when selling it.

What would you do?

Deerfoot

5,257 posts

215 months

Thursday 29th April 2010
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Ray Singh said:
What would you do?
Get it rebuilt and then px it. Quickly.

Ray Singh

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Thursday 29th April 2010
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VW admit that a porous head after 85k miles is a let down, but cannot help with any goodwill.
£2k on repairs and then sell the car for £6.5k makes no sense - please correct me if im wrong?


Deerfoot

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Thursday 29th April 2010
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Ray Singh said:
£2k on repairs and then sell the car for £6.5k makes no sense - please correct me if im wrong?
No, you are correct. Get them to rebuild it without replacing the head and get shot.

If you`re going to get the head replaced then you need to run it into the ground unless you can stomach the loss of the repair costs.

Ray Singh

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Thursday 29th April 2010
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Can a headgasket really become porus after 85k miles?

Is this acceptable or does it smell like cheap materials used to start with?

Im thinking that VWs repuatation of top quality is wearing a bit thin if heads go porus after 85k miles on a tdi engine, its only just run in ffs.


Deerfoot

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Thursday 29th April 2010
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I`m not too sure about the technical aspects of the situation to be honest. It doesn`t appear to be great on VW`s part does it?

I`d be looking at getting out of it for the minimum of financial outlay. As you quite rightly said, spending £2,000 on a car that`s worth £7,000 max is a bitter pill to swallow unless you plan to keep it until it dies.


drgoatboy

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238 months

Friday 30th April 2010
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Surely you can take it away from the dealer and take it to an independant.
If it really is a porus head then a second hand one surely could be sourced and fitted for much less than £1900?

EugeneFromDublin

17 posts

199 months

Tuesday 4th May 2010
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Is there oil in the water?
If so I had this and it was the oil cooler.
I hope for your sake it is as simple as this.
I believe it is a common problem, and relatively cheap. (relatively)

Ray Singh

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Tuesday 4th May 2010
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No oil water mix either way.


stewies_minion

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218 months

Wednesday 5th May 2010
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New engine for about £800 + whatever an independant charges to fit it?

PX & run. Ever so fast.

I'd be surprised if VW UK can't be persuaded to contribute, mind.

Or dump it at a good VAG independant and see what the best they can come up with?

What are your thoughts?


Ray Singh

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Wednesday 5th May 2010
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VW UK have offered to pay 30% of the labour and parts costs.
I am waiting on a better quote for the total cost before making the decission.

I will post what the final figures are and then make the decission.

Ultimatly - i loathe to be rushed to buy another car.

Ray Singh

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Monday 10th May 2010
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Argghhhhh.

VW are now doing the work with a 30% discount on parts and labour. Its still dear at over £1300 too.

I asked them for the old head today, and they told me that VW operate this on an exchange scheme. If i want it i will have to pay £300 for it.

I want to run some tests on the old head to check if it was porous and also (not that i don't believe them)but want to make sure it has been changed.

I tried to call VW again today - for the forth day running and i cant get hold of the case manager. Im getting very peed off.

Deerfoot

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Monday 10th May 2010
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Are you going to keep it?

Ray Singh

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Monday 10th May 2010
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Yes - ultimatly its a car with a top end re-build - so its worth keeping....