Griff Grim Reaper
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Now Griff prices seem to be on the up it draws into question how many of these unique machines still remain from the original build numbers (2000+)..... on account of regretable write offs & losses etc.
This of course would have a direct bearing on anybodys decision to keep or sell, basic repair or full body off restoration, regular use or garage & mothball etc, etc .....
Any one with any DVLC insider knowledge etc.
This of course would have a direct bearing on anybodys decision to keep or sell, basic repair or full body off restoration, regular use or garage & mothball etc, etc .....
Any one with any DVLC insider knowledge etc.
Re prices on the Up, its great news, check my post re "Stunning Black Metalic Griff " . I brokered the sale of this one for my good friend for the Full asking Price , which surprised me, but the best cars ( And this one is among the best, wish i could have bought it , the colour is incredible ) will always be sought after. And make top dollar.
Very very glad I managed to buy my second one 2 years ago, when I had the available funds .
Very very glad I managed to buy my second one 2 years ago, when I had the available funds .
With the bodies being made from glassfibre which is easier to repair and maintain than metal, and chassis now beinjg available new, there's no reason why these cars cant go on for a long time yet - decades and decades.
There may be a time in the future when large capacity V8's are thought to be the spawn of Satan
and outlawed, but even if it means that we all end up with electric motors in them, they'll be a damn sight more sexy than a Toyota Prius, and even with an extra half tonne of batteries, they'll still be light enough to be as quick as anything else that runs on elastictrickery.
There may be a time in the future when large capacity V8's are thought to be the spawn of Satan
and outlawed, but even if it means that we all end up with electric motors in them, they'll be a damn sight more sexy than a Toyota Prius, and even with an extra half tonne of batteries, they'll still be light enough to be as quick as anything else that runs on elastictrickery.I have pondered the question as to what the future may hold for TVR's. People owning older gas guzzling Jags, Land Rovers, Mercs and Beemers are having to take them off the road and use more affordable options. But TVR's are different. Their rarity, feel good factor and low mileage use puts them in a different league to most other marques and helps preserve their desirability.
I honestly think in 20 years time when petrol is £3.50 a litre and everyone is driving round in 100cc twin turbo diesel, supercharged nitrous injected go-carts for their daily drive, that people will still look at a TVR with admiration and affection and reminisce about the good old days.
As sad as I am about TVR folding, it's legecy will live on in the cars that remain on the roads, and if that adds a grand or two to the value of our cars, then all the better.
I honestly think in 20 years time when petrol is £3.50 a litre and everyone is driving round in 100cc twin turbo diesel, supercharged nitrous injected go-carts for their daily drive, that people will still look at a TVR with admiration and affection and reminisce about the good old days.
As sad as I am about TVR folding, it's legecy will live on in the cars that remain on the roads, and if that adds a grand or two to the value of our cars, then all the better.
Marty V8 said:
With the bodies being made from glassfibre which is easier to repair and maintain than metal, and chassis now beinjg available new, there's no reason why these cars cant go on for a long time yet - decades and decades.
Don't forget the lack of complicated software systems. Try and run a Windows 3.1 PC today, it is not easy. I think any of the brand new sportscars will be absolute nightmares in 10 - 15 year's time. That's why the 458 will go in a year or two and the Griffith is staying.Onno
A quick look here and it looks give or take about a thousand left ..... prob not completly accurate,but its an idea
http://howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/tvr_griffith
http://howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/tvr_griffith
quattrophenia said:
I have pondered the question as to what the future may hold for TVR's. People owning older gas guzzling Jags, Land Rovers, Mercs and Beemers are having to take them off the road and use more affordable options. But TVR's are different. Their rarity, feel good factor and low mileage use puts them in a different league to most other marques and helps preserve their desirability.
I honestly think in 20 years time when petrol is £3.50 a litre and everyone is driving round in 100cc twin turbo diesel, supercharged nitrous injected go-carts for their daily drive, that people will still look at a TVR with admiration and affection and reminisce about the good old days.
As sad as I am about TVR folding, it's legecy will live on in the cars that remain on the roads, and if that adds a grand or two to the value of our cars, then all the better.
Well put. Shall not be putting a BM 2Litre diesel in mine. Perhaps our RV8 or a LS3 V8 for a 4 cylinder switch over option for town economy, it can be done!. Some conjecture here!I honestly think in 20 years time when petrol is £3.50 a litre and everyone is driving round in 100cc twin turbo diesel, supercharged nitrous injected go-carts for their daily drive, that people will still look at a TVR with admiration and affection and reminisce about the good old days.
As sad as I am about TVR folding, it's legecy will live on in the cars that remain on the roads, and if that adds a grand or two to the value of our cars, then all the better.
Edited by EGB on Saturday 21st April 12:12
Good link Rigga, I would have thought that around 50% of original built cars left was about right accounting for the unfortunate hand of fate & the insurance right off mentality.
Hopefully the availability of parts & acceptability by the insurance companies will prevent too many more from consignment to TVR pearly gates (dependant on severity etc), which is good.
As others have stated - these machines are worth hanging onto & fettled for future enjoyment & possible investments, even dare I say they should be cosseted or even turned into religious icons ........ I might have lost it at that point
Hopefully the availability of parts & acceptability by the insurance companies will prevent too many more from consignment to TVR pearly gates (dependant on severity etc), which is good.
As others have stated - these machines are worth hanging onto & fettled for future enjoyment & possible investments, even dare I say they should be cosseted or even turned into religious icons ........ I might have lost it at that point
SteveGRF said:
Good link Rigga, I would have thought that around 50% of original built cars left was about right accounting for the unfortunate hand of fate & the insurance right off mentality.
Each year between 1999 and 2011 the number of Griffs registered was 90% or more of the maximum. There has never been a year of more than 1128 registered. Did almost half the production go abroad, never registered on UK roads?Onno
rigga said:
A quick look here and it looks give or take about a thousand left ..... prob not completly accurate,but its an idea
http://howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/tvr_griffith
There was one registered last year? Is that re-importing?http://howmanyleft.co.uk/vehicle/tvr_griffith
So in summation
Total Griffs Left = ((Registered + Sorn) + other unknown x's):
X1) cars converted to full race cars & not registered for road use (cant be many)?
X2) cars originally exported ?
X3) cars later exported ?
X4) cars sitting in scrap yards awaiting full distruction or resurrection ?
X5) cars already un-registered as fully scraped ?
X6) cars un-molested with LS type V8 Engines (only joking on that one)
This has the makings of a research project
Total Griffs Left = ((Registered + Sorn) + other unknown x's):
X1) cars converted to full race cars & not registered for road use (cant be many)?
X2) cars originally exported ?
X3) cars later exported ?
X4) cars sitting in scrap yards awaiting full distruction or resurrection ?
X5) cars already un-registered as fully scraped ?
X6) cars un-molested with LS type V8 Engines (only joking on that one)
This has the makings of a research project
JazzyO said:
Each year between 1999 and 2011 the number of Griffs registered was 90% or more of the maximum. There has never been a year of more than 1128 registered. Did almost half the production go abroad, never registered on UK roads?
Onno
Yes.. I was thinking that.. over 2200 made... where the hell are they all?... Onno
I was told a lot got written off within the first 12 months of ownership, which I can well beleive, so a lot would be gone before most of us were really interested in how many are left.
Judging by the amount being written off/on the scrap dealers sites there must be at least 10 or 20 per annum going now so I would guess 1000-1500 left so say about 1250. We've seen 127 at the Growl which is about 10% ofthe total but it wiuld be interesting to see how many are in the UK and how many abroad. If we got 200 at the Growl I think that would be the max we would ever see in one place.
FFG
Judging by the amount being written off/on the scrap dealers sites there must be at least 10 or 20 per annum going now so I would guess 1000-1500 left so say about 1250. We've seen 127 at the Growl which is about 10% ofthe total but it wiuld be interesting to see how many are in the UK and how many abroad. If we got 200 at the Growl I think that would be the max we would ever see in one place.
FFG
^^^ ThatI said pretty much the same in a thread last year and my comments of about 50% of production remaining were dismissed as being pessemistic. As Paul says the early cars really were classed as 'widow makers' and being current (at the time) there wouldn't have been the same desire to have them repaired as you could always go and buy another one with the insurance cheque (assuming you wanted another)
Hmmm, it still doesn't add up to me.
We know there are about 120 LHD vehicles produced. We know there should be about 2200 produced in total. Let's deduct the 100 SE's from this, we get say 2000 examples of RHD produced between 1992 and 2000. As for RHD markets, a few were exported to Japan but they were not many, I'm guessing 50 or so. Australia I am not sure about, but I don't think there were many going there either. Only a handful went to South Africa. I think it is safe to say that 1800 should have remained in Britain, produced before 2001. Going on the registration numbers, if all were registered this means that 750 cars were completely written off, that's about 100 per year. It seems an awful lot to me, because we all know that total write-offs are rare compared to repairable accidents. It would mean almost every Griff has been crashed, a significant amount has been crashed more than once, and we would have maybe 200 or 300 widows out there.
It just doesn't make sense to me. I think the production numbers are too high by at least 500 cars. Or you lot are all hiding them in barns, never registered.
Onno
We know there are about 120 LHD vehicles produced. We know there should be about 2200 produced in total. Let's deduct the 100 SE's from this, we get say 2000 examples of RHD produced between 1992 and 2000. As for RHD markets, a few were exported to Japan but they were not many, I'm guessing 50 or so. Australia I am not sure about, but I don't think there were many going there either. Only a handful went to South Africa. I think it is safe to say that 1800 should have remained in Britain, produced before 2001. Going on the registration numbers, if all were registered this means that 750 cars were completely written off, that's about 100 per year. It seems an awful lot to me, because we all know that total write-offs are rare compared to repairable accidents. It would mean almost every Griff has been crashed, a significant amount has been crashed more than once, and we would have maybe 200 or 300 widows out there.
It just doesn't make sense to me. I think the production numbers are too high by at least 500 cars. Or you lot are all hiding them in barns, never registered.
Onno
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