Who nows about vacuum advance ?
Who nows about vacuum advance ?
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Griffithy

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929 posts

305 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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Does somebody know and may help, please?

Is the Vacuum Advance, situated on the distributor, for Griff 500 (´96) a standard Rover part or a special TVR item?

I know I need a new one and if its a standard part I would have a good chance of getting one soon.

Thanks for helping,

Martin

shpub

8,507 posts

301 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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Depends... May or may not be. If you get a standrad one, you can always swap the weights and springs over.

Steve
www.tvrbooks.co.uk

Griffithy

Original Poster:

929 posts

305 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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That was fast!

Thank you very much, Steve.

red griff 500

280 posts

271 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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I'm confused Steve... are you talking about the engine speed advance here (weights and springs etc)?

Steve

starmist

1,052 posts

271 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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As I understand it from ACT / Mark Adams, the only use for the vacuum advance is to lean out the mixture under cruising, to increase fuel consumption under these conditions. If it does not advance, you will just be burning more fuel than necessary on the motorway. If you have an MA chip, he compensates for this in the ECU programme - the ACT triple throttle body plenum has no vacuum advance take off, for example.

greenv8s

31,014 posts

313 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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You can get a standard Rover distributor from various places but it won't necessarily have the same advance characteristics as the TVR modified one. To get the right advance curve, you would need to match the weights and springs that TVR used. One way to do this would be to strip both distributors and transfer the parts from the old one to the new one like Steve says.

Anyway, this is all unecessary if all you want is a new vac advance unit. I don't expect you'll have any trouble finding one, and in the mean time you can run quite happily without it as long as you block off the port on the throttle body which is normally piped up to it.

Edited to add - I mean, run with the vac advance unit fitted but not working. If you take it off completely you will need to lock the advance mechanism somehow.

>> Edited by greenv8s on Monday 9th August 12:59

greenv8s

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313 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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starmist said:
As I understand it from ACT / Mark Adams, the only use for the vacuum advance is to lean out the mixture under cruising, to increase fuel consumption under these conditions. If it does not advance, you will just be burning more fuel than necessary on the motorway. If you have an MA chip, he compensates for this in the ECU programme - the ACT triple throttle body plenum has no vacuum advance take off, for example.


The vac advance doesn't affect the mixture directly, it only changes the ignition timing. Maybe Mark does something clever to lean the mixture off instead but I don't know anything about that and it doesn't sound likely to me. Is it true that the ACT tripple throttle plenum has no vacuum takeoff? The single throttle ACT plenum on mine certainly does have one, and I'd be surprised if it was omitted.

starmist

1,052 posts

271 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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Yes it is true, cos I have one, and it hasn't! I know it doesn't affect mixture directly, but advancing the ignition timing burns the fuel better, which means you need less throttle to maintain the speed, which increases fuel consumption.

WLAcopilote

2,366 posts

271 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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Rover V8 pre-GEMS distributor with vacuum advance has the following features:

Mechanical advance by bob weights and pre-load springs to match ignition timing in proportion to engine speed.

Usually two bob-weights and springs. The advance "curve" is a hybrid of the properties of each spring / mass pair and may be adjusted to suit the engine.

Vacuum advance exists to reduce ignition advance at cruise (i.e. part-throttle, high manifold depression).


shpub

8,507 posts

301 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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red griff 500 said:
I'm confused Steve... are you talking about the engine speed advance here (weights and springs etc)?

Steve

Yes

greenv8s

31,014 posts

313 months

Monday 9th August 2004
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WLAcopilote said:

Vacuum advance exists to reduce ignition advance at cruise (i.e. part-throttle, high manifold depression).


That would be 'increase'. Otherwise it would be called a vacuum retard!