battery problems
battery problems
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gerjo

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1,627 posts

311 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Since a few weeks the battery goes dead quite quickely and of course the car won't start. It takes only 2 days to fully discharge. Last weekend I charged the battery, took it for a spin on the motorway for about 45 min. and (slowly) charged it afterwards for about 24 h. After the charging the meter indicated fully charged. Now, 3 days later, it's fully empty.

During driving the voltmeter indicates some 17 volts.

Am I right in concluding that the alternator works fine but the battery needs changing? Or can there be some faulty connection which drains the battery?

Only strange thing is that this problem only occured a few weeks ago, before the battery seemed fine. Does it degenerate that fast?

crankedup

25,764 posts

272 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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It could be the battery which is now faulty, how old is it?

It maybe you have a short circuit somewhere on the car thus draining the battery.

Can you loan a good battery from a friend for a couple of days. If that plays up then at least you know the faults in the car.

Purchase a battery conditioner and plug it in whenever the car is garaged.

Good luck

spend

12,581 posts

280 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Voltmeter reading over 15v normally indicates alternator problem, have you checked the fuse else regulator pack.

Dave

pies

13,116 posts

285 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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If the diode pack in the alternator is u/s then the battery can drain throuh the alternator

steve-v8s

2,924 posts

277 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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Did you leave the battery in a flat condition for any length of time? If you did then it will probably have a much reduced capacity. If this is the case it will reach full charge from flat very quickly, but also go flat quickly ( just like having a very small battery fitted) This is unfortunately a feature of modern batteries. If they are left below around 11v for any time they start to degrade quite quickly and the only real solution once it has happened is replacement.

andy43

13,148 posts

283 months

Thursday 7th October 2004
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As above - most likely to be faulty diode pack on alternator

gerjo

Original Poster:

1,627 posts

311 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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The volt meter has always been indicating around 15-17 volt when moving, so nothing changed there. Could the alternator still be misfunctioning?

What is the fuse else regulator pack and how can I check it?

What is the diode pack on alternator and how can I check it?

Battery is some 4 years old, so seems suspicious. Just strange that it deteriorated so fast; the car was sitting in the garage only for 2 weeks when the problem occured. Before, I could leave it easily for a month and it still started.

thanks a lot, guys.

spend

12,581 posts

280 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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Charge battery and disconnect the alternator (big brown cable). If battery retains charge its the diode pack - this can be replaced along with brushes by competent auto-electrician.

Do ensure the battery connections and alternator fuse are good.

HTH, Dave

gerjo

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1,627 posts

311 months

Friday 8th October 2004
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spend said:
Charge battery and disconnect the alternator (big brown cable). If battery retains charge its the diode pack - this can be replaced along with brushes by competent auto-electrician.

Do ensure the battery connections and alternator fuse are good.

HTH, Dave

Did it and connected the charger, let's wait and see. Found a big brown cable in a black ribbed plastic tube connected to the red pole, guess this must be it; the only other brown cable was very thin.
Is it normal that after disconnecting the cable the alarm sounds and the interior lights go out?

gerjo

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1,627 posts

311 months

Saturday 9th October 2004
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All clear now: after disconnectiing and fully charging the battery, it fully decharged within 8 hours. So I obviously need a new battery; should manage to do it with Steve's book, although it doesn't sound easy.

Any suggestions which battery to buy? Bible says 072 630 amp Range Rover, but maybe there are better ones available at this moment?

pies

13,116 posts

285 months

Saturday 9th October 2004
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I would get the alternator checked out to as this could be the reason for the u/s battery.If its giving out 17v this will soon ruin your new battery

gerjo

Original Poster:

1,627 posts

311 months

Saturday 9th October 2004
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Why is 17 volts a bad thing? As far as I can remember it has always been like this (3 years now) and never had any trouble before.

How can I check the alternator?

As I'm a 1.000 km away (France) from the nearest decent TVR dealer (haven't found any here yet), I will have to do this myself.

thanks again guys!

pies

13,116 posts

285 months

Saturday 9th October 2004
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You will need a multimeter set to dc volts

Start the car

Place one lead on a good earth,(the engine will do)

Place the other lead on the terminal of the alternator otput lead (this is the thickest wire

Voltage should be less than 17v (normal is 14v to 14.5)

Hope that helps

gerjo

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1,627 posts

311 months

Sunday 10th October 2004
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Just found out I have been misreading the scale all along; it always indicates 15V or a bit less, but never 17V (this is the max. value). So I guess (and hope) the alternator is o.k. Will start taking out the battery this afternoon.

Ballistic Banana

14,706 posts

296 months

Sunday 10th October 2004
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Out of interest Gerjo where exactly are you in France, I have Family in Limoges, Pompadore, and Brive (and some friends in Marsielle and Bordeux). anywhere close to You??


Simon

gerjo

Original Poster:

1,627 posts

311 months

Sunday 10th October 2004
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Ballistic Banana said:
Out of interest Gerjo where exactly are you in France, I have Family in Limoges, Pompadore, and Brive (and some friends in Marsielle and Bordeux). anywhere close to You??

Simon

hi Simon,

We are some 35 km. south of Brive (25 min. drive), 5 km south of Souillac. Drop by some day when you are visiting your family!

BTW battery is out, wasn't too bad.

simon.b

1,230 posts

311 months

Sunday 10th October 2004
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Out is not so bad, it’s back in when the fun starts.

I bought a real cheap no-make from a local retailer, he checked a few and gave me the one with the best cranking current that would fit in the box (it didn’t have the vent tube connection). The intention was to keep me on the road while I could source a good one, but this was nearly a year ago no problems so far.

Cheers,

Simon.

gerjo

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1,627 posts

311 months

Monday 11th October 2004
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New battery is in, only took about 30 min. Started right away, job done.