ACT Tornado 5 TVR 5 litre Induction kit
Discussion
Has anyone fitted this upgrade from ACT:
http://www.actproducts.co.uk/shop/ik005-tornado-5-...
Is it ok with standard injectors?
http://www.actproducts.co.uk/shop/ik005-tornado-5-...
Is it ok with standard injectors?
I have the ACT induction kit, not sure if it is the "Tornado" because there is no picture on the ACT site. But it is the one shown below.
I had all the carbon fibre remade because frankly the ACT stuff is of really low quality. Then again it is pretty cheap. I also had the inlet trumpets remade to get better airflow, the ACT ones were all chipped and ragged. See the pic as an example of the quality - those trumpets had 6,000 miles on.
I don't have any real world experience of the kit comparing it to a 500, as my car was a 5.3L when I bought it. It went, however, like the clappers.
Standard injectors should be fine, I think. But perhaps more knowledgeable people will chime in.
Onno
I had all the carbon fibre remade because frankly the ACT stuff is of really low quality. Then again it is pretty cheap. I also had the inlet trumpets remade to get better airflow, the ACT ones were all chipped and ragged. See the pic as an example of the quality - those trumpets had 6,000 miles on.
I don't have any real world experience of the kit comparing it to a 500, as my car was a 5.3L when I bought it. It went, however, like the clappers.
Standard injectors should be fine, I think. But perhaps more knowledgeable people will chime in.
Onno
Edited by JazzyO on Saturday 7th December 10:57
cp81 said:
Has anyone fitted this upgrade from ACT:
http://www.actproducts.co.uk/shop/ik005-tornado-5-...
Is it ok with standard injectors?
I was running the Tornado EPROM with the induction kit, trumpets but with the original AFM and injectors. Phase 2 I did the injectors, AFM and fuel reg. Give Tim at ACT a shout he very knowledgeable and honest about the products he sells. http://www.actproducts.co.uk/shop/ik005-tornado-5-...
Is it ok with standard injectors?
Did you get my email in earlier in the week, let me know if not, it has been playing up.
YES this will be okay with standard injectors, as the fuel map will be tweaked to the engine spec....however to get the full benefit it would be advisable to upgrade the injectors..... and then finally book a rolling road set-up session with Mark Adams (Tornado chip is his made by him, and only he can tweak it due to inbuilt scramblers) to get a bespoke map for your car.
I've done pretty much that kit just in stages....
I've done pretty much that kit just in stages....
Matthew I didn't get your email, could you resend?
Hoover - did you notice a difference just fitting the kit?
Currently my car is having some works done and the plenum is off, so possibly an ideal time to fit the kit. Certainly have not the monies yet for a rolling road session. Also bit cautious to put it on a rolling road, as it's 16 years old... Afraid it could go bang or something...
Hoover - did you notice a difference just fitting the kit?
Currently my car is having some works done and the plenum is off, so possibly an ideal time to fit the kit. Certainly have not the monies yet for a rolling road session. Also bit cautious to put it on a rolling road, as it's 16 years old... Afraid it could go bang or something...
I've had the same kit fitted, including tornado chip, for 7 years and over 60k miles (car has over 105k now). Have rebuilt engine recently and had mark adams remap again and car is still giving me 336 bhp and. 328lb torque. Not sure why you think act is poor quality as I've found it great. I did have better injectors fitted and replaced they throttle pedometer
as was worn along with upgrading the AFM.
I recommend you speak with Mark Adams.
as was worn along with upgrading the AFM.
I recommend you speak with Mark Adams.
JazzyO said:
I have the ACT induction kit, not sure if it is the "Tornado" because there is no picture on the ACT site. But it is the one shown below.
I had all the carbon fibre remade because frankly the ACT stuff is of really low quality. Then again it is pretty cheap. I also had the inlet trumpets remade to get better airflow, the ACT ones were all chipped and ragged. See the pic as an example of the quality - those trumpets had 6,000 miles on.
I don't have any real world experience of the kit comparing it to a 500, as my car was a 5.3L when I bought it. It went, however, like the clappers.
Standard injectors should be fine, I think. But perhaps more knowledgeable people will chime in.
Onno
I had all the carbon fibre remade because frankly the ACT stuff is of really low quality. Then again it is pretty cheap. I also had the inlet trumpets remade to get better airflow, the ACT ones were all chipped and ragged. See the pic as an example of the quality - those trumpets had 6,000 miles on.
I don't have any real world experience of the kit comparing it to a 500, as my car was a 5.3L when I bought it. It went, however, like the clappers.
Standard injectors should be fine, I think. But perhaps more knowledgeable people will chime in.
Onno
Edited by JazzyO on Saturday 7th December 10:57[/footnote]
[footnote]Edited by mcosh on Saturday 7th December 20:48I didn't buy mine as a kit, it's been a serious of upgrades over the years... amounting to a very similar package as the kit,
and yes noticeable with the induction elements of the kit, but not so much with the tornado chip (i was happy with performance of original chip, but was over fueling.. no real power gain on my car, but overfueling drastically reduced) ... however about to pop in an upgraded map to work with the GEMS AFM (for my car set-up MA recommended this over the Bosch) also it will up the fuel pressure due me having larger injectors fitted... so fingers crossed I'll be wheel spinning in third
and yes noticeable with the induction elements of the kit, but not so much with the tornado chip (i was happy with performance of original chip, but was over fueling.. no real power gain on my car, but overfueling drastically reduced) ... however about to pop in an upgraded map to work with the GEMS AFM (for my car set-up MA recommended this over the Bosch) also it will up the fuel pressure due me having larger injectors fitted... so fingers crossed I'll be wheel spinning in third
JazzyO said:
Well, I think this looks a lot better. Perhaps hard to see in photos, but if you put them next to each other it is night and day. It also has to be said that the ACT kit was put on in (I think) 2006, likely since then quality has improved.
Onno
We use out of Autoclave finish pre-preg, it is very easy to brighten up with lacquering , but we don't supply these parts lacquered on the basis that it would increase the price and 90% don't mind the dull standard finish.Onno
The ACT trumpets you show are very old well over 10 years, we haven't used that weave since 2003, they have been butchered by someone since we supplied, hence the extra bolt notches, but as you have found they are easy to brighten up again
You have a very nice car there, very impressive. I like the mods you have done to the throttle linkage, I have to admit that ours was a budget option to satisfy the market, we have recently been looking at a new Jenvey linkage which will be like yours, but the downside is that it will push the kit up in price significantly.
Were you the guy we supplied the new air-box to via Nimag ??
Edited by ACT on Tuesday 10th December 20:35
Thanks for the feedback. It's interesting to hear that the trumpets are that old - I do not know where they came from. I do know they were fitted after that date but by whom I'm not sure. Good to hear that the quality is improved.
NIMAG are doing the mechanical work on this car and they have done the throttle linkage. I understand the market that you deal with, my car is not a typical project, so of course that limits the solutions you can provide sometimes. I will certainly say that your products greatly enhance the Griff.
One thing that we keep bumping into is the fact that the car is LHD - it is naturally not the target market for aftermarket suppliers and it sometimes forces us to design a solution ourselves.
I'm not the guy that took delivery of the airbox, we will design a new one for improved flow, creating a CF funnel all the way from the nose to the back of the engine.
Onno
NIMAG are doing the mechanical work on this car and they have done the throttle linkage. I understand the market that you deal with, my car is not a typical project, so of course that limits the solutions you can provide sometimes. I will certainly say that your products greatly enhance the Griff.
One thing that we keep bumping into is the fact that the car is LHD - it is naturally not the target market for aftermarket suppliers and it sometimes forces us to design a solution ourselves.
I'm not the guy that took delivery of the airbox, we will design a new one for improved flow, creating a CF funnel all the way from the nose to the back of the engine.
Onno
The good thing is that the carbon we use will last for ever, if you consider that your trumpets are over 10 years old, now you've given them a clean up they look like new.
Re air-box, the one in your last picture is ours, the new LHD type, Nimag had one in 2011, we have sold a few since to the Netherlands, I only say this in case you bought it from someone not realising that it's ours, or did it come with the car ?
Re linkages, Yes we have sold so many carbon plenum kits and it was always a very competitive and price sensitive market, if I had added an expensive linkage i think the product would have fallen flat on its face, but we will always supply what a customer wants, we've always sold Jenvey dynamics throttles and linkages, they offer a wide range, including one just like yours, that's the way i'm going now.
Re air-box, the one in your last picture is ours, the new LHD type, Nimag had one in 2011, we have sold a few since to the Netherlands, I only say this in case you bought it from someone not realising that it's ours, or did it come with the car ?
Re linkages, Yes we have sold so many carbon plenum kits and it was always a very competitive and price sensitive market, if I had added an expensive linkage i think the product would have fallen flat on its face, but we will always supply what a customer wants, we've always sold Jenvey dynamics throttles and linkages, they offer a wide range, including one just like yours, that's the way i'm going now.
Cheers Rich.
JazzyO. I just re-read from the start of the thread and noticed this
"I had all the carbon fibre remade because frankly the ACT stuff is of really low quality. Then again it is pretty cheap "
It's neither of those, we use the best quality carbon fibre, expensive pre-preg material, autoclaved. Our main market is and always has been, racing parts for motorsport where parts have to be extremely durable and made from the best material.
We don't however spend much time finishing / lacquering the parts as this adds to the cost and frankly most people need functionality , but anyone can easily re-finish the parts themselves, as you've had done, or request that we do it. You shouldn't suggest you had the parts re-made, I understand you are re-designing the air-box and trunking , but you picture shows our parts cleaned up and lacquered.
JazzyO. I just re-read from the start of the thread and noticed this
"I had all the carbon fibre remade because frankly the ACT stuff is of really low quality. Then again it is pretty cheap "
It's neither of those, we use the best quality carbon fibre, expensive pre-preg material, autoclaved. Our main market is and always has been, racing parts for motorsport where parts have to be extremely durable and made from the best material.
We don't however spend much time finishing / lacquering the parts as this adds to the cost and frankly most people need functionality , but anyone can easily re-finish the parts themselves, as you've had done, or request that we do it. You shouldn't suggest you had the parts re-made, I understand you are re-designing the air-box and trunking , but you picture shows our parts cleaned up and lacquered.
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