Leven Foot Pedals
Discussion
Have just taken delivery of new set of leven foot pedals and am looking help to make sure they are set correctly. I intend to do track days and will want to learn the art of heal and toe. I have them set at present as advised in the Griffith bible of steve heath(Brake fully pressed should be level with the throttle)Any help and advise would be welcome
My throttle is slightly highr than that although I haven't tried them on track yet. I think it is mainly down to personal preferenve and you will need to drive with them and decide whether the settings are correct for you. I find that on occasion I over rev the car which suggest they the trottle is slightly too high, however the difference between road and track driving (should be) substantial and therefore you may prefer differing settings for both.
Personally I would recommend getting your head round H&T as it helps the car stay less unsettled ..... and of course stops the rear wheels locking !! Particular problem on track .....
Did you get the adjystable throttle arm as well though ??
Personally I would recommend getting your head round H&T as it helps the car stay less unsettled ..... and of course stops the rear wheels locking !! Particular problem on track .....
Did you get the adjystable throttle arm as well though ??
Yes I got the Fully adjustable throttle set and I know excatly what you mean about unsettling the car.A wet track day at kirkistown and two spins later I realise I am no F1 driver. With the right setting I should be able to apply the power more evenly. Less full braking as the corner fast approaches and then power on fast more gently apply the power and let the car glide round the corner.Just have to practice my H&T
What i have found fantastic with the Leven pedals is that I can transfer right foot onto the brake pedal when the left is already there to take over the braking to get back on the throttle or to move onto the clutch ... they are wide enough to do this.
I have only wanted to do this twice, but each time it was without any incident.
I have only wanted to do this twice, but each time it was without any incident.
golf bandit said:
Yes I got the Fully adjustable throttle set and I know excatly what you mean about unsettling the car.A wet track day at kirkistown and two spins later I realise I am no F1 driver. With the right setting I should be able to apply the power more evenly. Less full braking as the corner fast approaches and then power on fast more gently apply the power and let the car glide round the corner.Just have to practice my H&T
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You want to be standing on the brakes as hard as you can as you approach the corner on a track, just blipping the throttle as you come down the box. You do the same as this in the wet, just give yourself a longer braking distance as the lock point will come a lot sooner. The important bit is make sure it is all done in a straight line. You can then tip her straight into the corner and just use the throttle to steer her round.
On the road it is all a little different. You want to be the flicking up and down the box, using the brakes and engine braking coming down from higher revs before the corner and the powering round it. The proportional torque hit higher up the rev range is less than the hit down low. On a track you have a load of room to steer round a bend on the throttle and playing with the arse end. On a road you rarely have that luxury. You have to be a lot subtle with the car on the road, you can afford to be more brutal on track.
Golden rule for both is *never* enter the bend on a trailing throttle, esp in the wet. If you suddenly realise you are entering too hot, you got 2 realistic options.
1) Plant the middle peddle as hard you can with your left foot, then plant your right foot on the throttle as you tip her into the bend and hold it. If you are entering too hot and possibly on a trailing throttle, odds are you have already changed down anyway.
2) Tip her into the bend and be on the lock straight away. Keep your right foot on the loud peddle.
Both options to be honest are just you having to rely on physics, grip and the car's abilities. Dont even think of Option 1 if you cant get off the middle peddle by the time you tip her into the bend.
If it is wet you are just
ed.This may sound a very silly question, but hey, I've got broad shoulders!
When I heel and toe (still learning) with the standard pedals, the only way I can do it is have my rihjt foot over both the brake and gas. The thrttle pedal isn't long enough for me to get my size 10 heel on the throttle with my toe on the brake and vice versa.
Am I doing something wrong?
When I heel and toe (still learning) with the standard pedals, the only way I can do it is have my rihjt foot over both the brake and gas. The thrttle pedal isn't long enough for me to get my size 10 heel on the throttle with my toe on the brake and vice versa.
Am I doing something wrong?
starmist said:
This may sound a very silly question, but hey, I've got broad shoulders!
When I heel and toe (still learning) with the standard pedals, the only way I can do it is have my rihjt foot over both the brake and gas. The thrttle pedal isn't long enough for me to get my size 10 heel on the throttle with my toe on the brake and vice versa.
Am I doing something wrong?
Nope, that is fine.
The modern way of H n T'ing is to roll he outsides of your right foot between brake and throttle.
tvr4ever said:
I still have the original pedals, heel and toe works perfect with them to. I would like the Leven pedals, however without rubber on the metal pedals you can't get your car through our APK (MOT) according to the experts.
Fred
So do the leven pedals have rubber on them, ive got some sparco or something and was told to take them off when the insurance man came to look at the car.
Let’s try and clear up the metal pedals and MoT issues once and for all with hard facts.
Our aim is to manufacture products to meet Type Approval standards should they ever be submitted. At the next level down we use the SVA manual. (For those not familiar, this document is the detailed test standard for low volume produced vehicles and is close to or slightly stricter than a MoT.) Our other customers are low volume manufactures (OEM) who have to meet this standard.
1) Reference the Single Vehicle Approval Inspection Manual (SVA) Sixth amendment March 2004 Section 16.2, page 1, Procedure and Standard. Paragraph 2 Service Brake Control/Mechanical Components says
'.....the pedal (where fitted) has an anti-slip provision.'
Reason for Failure
'...ii A brake pedal anti slip provision
* not fitted
* insecure
* inadequate
Our metal pedals have
1) a linished finish which make them non slip
2) Slots to improve the 'grip'
We believe that this meets the standard.
To our knowledge there has never been a MoT failure due to our pedals.
Our pedals have passed SVA tests.
There is no mention of rubber or other material.
Note: The Tuscans onwards are all fitted with metal pedals as original equipment.
Our MoT test station confirms the above and actually said that ‘a worn rubber pad that was slippery would actually fail the MoT test.
On the insurance issue you are required to notify your insurance company of all modifications. It is then up to them to confirm if it is relevant or not.
Our aim is to manufacture products to meet Type Approval standards should they ever be submitted. At the next level down we use the SVA manual. (For those not familiar, this document is the detailed test standard for low volume produced vehicles and is close to or slightly stricter than a MoT.) Our other customers are low volume manufactures (OEM) who have to meet this standard.
1) Reference the Single Vehicle Approval Inspection Manual (SVA) Sixth amendment March 2004 Section 16.2, page 1, Procedure and Standard. Paragraph 2 Service Brake Control/Mechanical Components says
'.....the pedal (where fitted) has an anti-slip provision.'
Reason for Failure
'...ii A brake pedal anti slip provision
* not fitted
* insecure
* inadequate
Our metal pedals have
1) a linished finish which make them non slip
2) Slots to improve the 'grip'
We believe that this meets the standard.
To our knowledge there has never been a MoT failure due to our pedals.
Our pedals have passed SVA tests.
There is no mention of rubber or other material.
Note: The Tuscans onwards are all fitted with metal pedals as original equipment.
Our MoT test station confirms the above and actually said that ‘a worn rubber pad that was slippery would actually fail the MoT test.
On the insurance issue you are required to notify your insurance company of all modifications. It is then up to them to confirm if it is relevant or not.
I drive the Chim to and from work everyday in leather soled shoes, and have yet to slip on the pedals (they were fitted to the car when I bought it)… given that other shoes I wear when driving have rubber soles it's hardly surprising they haven't slipped…
The previous owner also rotated the throttle pedal through 180 degrees (it's not the fully adjustable one unfortunately) so it's closer to the brake pedal, which does make it easier to heel and toe (now waiting for someone to pass judgement on that
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The previous owner also rotated the throttle pedal through 180 degrees (it's not the fully adjustable one unfortunately) so it's closer to the brake pedal, which does make it easier to heel and toe (now waiting for someone to pass judgement on that
)leventech said:
Our MoT test station confirms the above and actually said that ‘a worn rubber pad that was slippery would actually fail the MoT test.
This might work for your MOT, after consulting a APK (Dutch version of MOT) specialist, he again, confirmed that the pedals over here need to have rubber on them, and it may not been worn.
Then again, if you provide a pair to test I'm willing to give it a go and do some testing on the subject for you. (LOL)
Fred
starmist said:
This may sound a very silly question, but hey, I've got broad shoulders!
When I heel and toe (still learning) with the standard pedals, the only way I can do it is have my rihjt foot over both the brake and gas. The thrttle pedal isn't long enough for me to get my size 10 heel on the throttle with my toe on the brake and vice versa.
Am I doing something wrong?
That's the way I do it too. Getting used to it quite quickly. Still have the standard set up although I had to move the accelerator out a little.
Grouch.
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