Would retarding the advance drop exhaust CO2 rate?
Would retarding the advance drop exhaust CO2 rate?
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panic

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817 posts

306 months

Friday 28th February 2014
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I'll have a pollution check on my '96 Griffith in 10 days, I need to show good figures to the inspectors here in Spain...

Will retarding a bit the advance help achieve having an approved stamp on my car's papers?

Thanks/Giuseppe

carsy

3,019 posts

188 months

Saturday 1st March 2014
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For emissions you want the best burn possible.

I have found that mine at tickover, which is where i`m assuming they will check, likes a lot of advance. You can hear the engine go sweet then not so sweet etc as you mess around with it.

If you are still running the distributor, be very careful driving the car if you advance the timing in this way, as higher up the rev range will give you way too much advance which could destroy your engine.

panic

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817 posts

306 months

Saturday 1st March 2014
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Thanks for the advice, will follow up...

steve-V8s

2,924 posts

271 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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When you say Co2 do you actually mean CO ?

Normally it is CO that causes the problem. CO ( Carbon Monoxide) is the main result of combustion and will be high if the engine is running too rich. Altering the timing wouldn’t have a direct effect on the CO figure it is really only a result of the ratio of fuel to air. If all is working well the ECU should measure the air going in and inject the correct amount of fuel to achieve the correct ratio. The ratio is altered depending on the engine and air temperature. Ideally you need the engine at about 82c and a nice cool day.

As well as measuring the temperature and air flow the ECU uses data from the oxygen (lambda)sensors at low RPM. For a good CO figure you need the engine to be up to temperature and all the data from the air flow meter, temperature sensors and lambda sensors arriving at the ECU to be good.

Also tested and perhaps more of a problem are the hydrocarbon levels. If the burn is not completely successful some fuel remains in the exhaust gas. That can happen if the timing is not ideally set, the mixture is too lean or too rich, or one of the plugs is not sparking nicely.

If you think it is going to be marginal it is a good idea to fit a new set of plugs and put some fresh fuel in the tank.

panic

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817 posts

306 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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steve-V8s said:
When you say Co2 do you actually mean CO ?

Normally it is CO that causes the problem. CO ( Carbon Monoxide) is the main result of combustion and will be high if the engine is running too rich. Altering the timing wouldn’t have a direct effect on the CO figure it is really only a result of the ratio of fuel to air. If all is working well the ECU should measure the air going in and inject the correct amount of fuel to achieve the correct ratio. The ratio is altered depending on the engine and air temperature. Ideally you need the engine at about 82c and a nice cool day.

As well as measuring the temperature and air flow the ECU uses data from the oxygen (lambda)sensors at low RPM. For a good CO figure you need the engine to be up to temperature and all the data from the air flow meter, temperature sensors and lambda sensors arriving at the ECU to be good.

Also tested and perhaps more of a problem are the hydrocarbon levels. If the burn is not completely successful some fuel remains in the exhaust gas. That can happen if the timing is not ideally set, the mixture is too lean or too rich, or one of the plugs is not sparking nicely.

If you think it is going to be marginal it is a good idea to fit a new set of plugs and put some fresh fuel in the tank.
Yes, sorry, I ment the CO...

The idea of changing the full set of plugs is also pretty good, thanks.

Actually I must not have a perfect timing set (I do it manually moving the distributor back and forward and then trying at high load the car on the street), as the engine seems not to burn the gas completely...I often notice getting in the garage when I need to manouvre to park more then a couple of minutes the gases in the garage make me cry like a child LOL...

But what's very peculiar is that the engine seem to have a ''variable'' timing for some reason, one day I set it perfectly and I can see the results at speed and even in the garage and a couple of days later the engine does not fully run clean and when I get into the garage I feel plenty of uncombusted gases...How come?

The dizzy is new...

Thanks
Giuseppe

Colin RedGriff

2,541 posts

280 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Is the clamp tightened properly to stop the distributor moving once you'v set it?

panic

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817 posts

306 months

Sunday 2nd March 2014
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Colin RedGriff said:
Is the clamp tightened properly to stop the distributor moving once you'v set it?
Yes, I make always sure it's well tightened...

MischaV8

161 posts

231 months

Monday 3rd March 2014
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maybe this helps; i was was told to make a hole / disconnect the afm hose and leaf it loose so additional air will pass the afm so CO level will drop!?

i have not tested this but when my engine was mapped the tuner said the above just in case to make it pass.

good luck

panic

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817 posts

306 months

Monday 10th March 2014
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She went through....hehe

BTW curb weight checked is exactly 980 Kgs....

Thanks for the advices.