Low RON and Engine Noises
Low RON and Engine Noises
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fazz81

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324 posts

264 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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Hello,

Quick question, I had to put in some 95RON petrol the other day as I was running on fumes and no Optimax in sight. Only put a tenners worth in to get me home. Ran the car this morning and seemed to have developed an extra engine noise at low revs, a kind of knocking tapping, although its a quiet noise, was wondering if using 95RON petrol could cause this?

Cheers
Simon

GreenV8S

31,017 posts

313 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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No, it won't cause that.

fazz81

Original Poster:

324 posts

264 months

Thursday 29th September 2005
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Ok, thanks, not sure if it was a stupid question....

jonathant

880 posts

313 months

Friday 30th September 2005
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Hmmm. I've (on my 99 Chim) recently developed (or more likely noticed) a knocking noise ONLY at idle with no load. The garage thinks it's camshaft slap but needs to open Trev up to confirm.

Sounds like you're knocking on the car window.

IPAddis

2,524 posts

313 months

Friday 30th September 2005
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jonathant said:
Hmmm. I've (on my 99 Chim) recently developed (or more likely noticed) a knocking noise ONLY at idle with no load. The garage thinks it's camshaft slap but needs to open Trev up to confirm.

Sounds like you're knocking on the car window.


Hmm, camshaft slap? I'm no expert but I'd suspect little ends or some tappet related issue. The camshaft should be held in place by the chain drive and a thrust button (or cam retaining plate).

Ian A.

FourWheelDrift

92,271 posts

313 months

Friday 30th September 2005
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It might be a noise that has been there for sometime, but because you were listening for any newly perceived noises (because you put some 95Ron fuel) you've only picked up on it now.

fazz81

Original Poster:

324 posts

264 months

Friday 30th September 2005
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I hope its not the cam as that was only replaced about 6000 miles ago. I do have a knocking noise at low revs already, which the garage said is the rocker covers?? nothing to worry about aparantly.

But I think your right, picking up on that noise even more maybe as I put 95RON in.

Thanks for the replys.

IPAddis

2,524 posts

313 months

Saturday 1st October 2005
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fazz81 said:
I do have a knocking noise at low revs already, which the garage said is the rocker covers??


The rocker covers are bolted to the heads. Unless they are loose (in which case you would have oil EVERYWHERE), I fail to see how they can make a knocking noise.

It's more likely to be the metal plate on the rockers themselves, in which case it is something that needs addressing as the underlying aluminium is very soft in comparison.

Who is this "garage", and are you sure they know what they're talking about?

Ian A.

fazz81

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324 posts

264 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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IPAddis said:

fazz81 said:
I do have a knocking noise at low revs already, which the garage said is the rocker covers??



The rocker covers are bolted to the heads. Unless they are loose (in which case you would have oil EVERYWHERE), I fail to see how they can make a knocking noise.

It's more likely to be the metal plate on the rockers themselves, in which case it is something that needs addressing as the underlying aluminium is very soft in comparison.

Who is this "garage", and are you sure they know what they're talking about?

Ian A.


The garage is a respectable TVR dealer, not sure if i'm allowed to give name, but have been very happy with them so far.

Now I may get this all wrong, but bear with me
They showed me another Griff engine that they had in bits, if I remeber correctly the rocker covers have a pole running through the middle of them, and I was told this can be ever so slightly loose causing the rocker cover to tap against it??

So is that the metal plate i'm talking about? I was told it was nothing to worry about, but could this cause wear on the aluminium underneath?

Engine is clean, no sight of oil.

Thanks
Simon

IPAddis

2,524 posts

313 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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fazz81 said:

The garage is a respectable TVR dealer, not sure if i'm allowed to give name, but have been very happy with them so far.

Now I may get this all wrong, but bear with me
They showed me another Griff engine that they had in bits, if I remeber correctly the rocker covers have a pole running through the middle of them, and I was told this can be ever so slightly loose causing the rocker cover to tap against it??

So is that the metal plate i'm talking about? I was told it was nothing to worry about, but could this cause wear on the aluminium underneath?

Engine is clean, no sight of oil.

Thanks
Simon


Fair enough, I stand corrected. I only ask because some people use local garages where the mechanic MAY not be used to dealing with TVRs.

There's a plate (I think it's for oil control) that runs through the rocker cover. I suppose it's possible that could be loose. I would have thought it would have to be pretty loose to be audible from inside the car though.

Ian A.

jonathant

880 posts

313 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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IPAddis said:
Hmm, camshaft slap? I'm no expert but I'd suspect little ends or some tappet related issue. The camshaft should be held in place by the chain drive and a thrust button (or cam retaining plate).



Well I'm defo no expert but Trev had three mechanics over and under him for a quarter of an hour. One of them thought it was big/little end but apparently the knocking then gets worse under load.

They also described that the camshaft is only held in place by the chain drive - apparently there is no bracket or whatever.

>> Edited by jonathant on Monday 3rd October 16:58

fazz81

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324 posts

264 months

Monday 3rd October 2005
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IPAddis said:

fazz81 said:

The garage is a respectable TVR dealer, not sure if i'm allowed to give name, but have been very happy with them so far.

Now I may get this all wrong, but bear with me
They showed me another Griff engine that they had in bits, if I remeber correctly the rocker covers have a pole running through the middle of them, and I was told this can be ever so slightly loose causing the rocker cover to tap against it??

So is that the metal plate i'm talking about? I was told it was nothing to worry about, but could this cause wear on the aluminium underneath?

Engine is clean, no sight of oil.

Thanks
Simon



Fair enough, I stand corrected. I only ask because some people use local garages where the mechanic MAY not be used to dealing with TVRs.

There's a plate (I think it's for oil control) that runs through the rocker cover. I suppose it's possible that could be loose. I would have thought it would have to be pretty loose to be audible from inside the car though.

Ian A.


No, was worth checking, I know what you mean, some dodgy mechanics about.

I'm not clued up enough to argue with the mechanics, just have to take there word for it. I will ask them if they are sure next service though.

Thanks
Simon