4.3 Starter motor problems ?
4.3 Starter motor problems ?
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TeGriffic

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280 months

Saturday 15th October 2005
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A few weeks back when I started the Griff (4.3) there was just a clunk then nothing. Second time it started Ok so I assummed the starter had jammed. Today I got back from a blast, started the car to put it in the garage and bang, the noise I get now is something horrendous, like a eumatic drill (same as if you engaged the starter whilst the engine was running but louder). So I pushed her into the garage. I think something bad has happened to the starter motor. It sounds God awful and broken. Where exactly is the starter motor and anyone know what model the Griff (and I assume Chimeara) 4.3 used ? Thanks.

JoolzB

3,549 posts

278 months

Saturday 15th October 2005
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TeGriffic said:
A few weeks back when I started the Griff (4.3) there was just a clunk then nothing. Second time it started Ok so I assummed the starter had jammed. Today I got back from a blast, started the car to put it in the garage and bang, the noise I get now is something horrendous, like a eumatic drill (same as if you engaged the starter whilst the engine was running but louder). So I pushed her into the garage. I think something bad has happened to the starter motor. It sounds God awful and broken. Where exactly is the starter motor and anyone know what model the Griff (and I assume Chimeara) 4.3 used ? Thanks.

Battery low?

TeGriffic

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Saturday 15th October 2005
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No battery is OK, it's getting current alright. It's hard to describe the noise but it sounds like the sort of noise you get when you don't get it quite in gear. It sounds like somethinf is busted to me.

FourWheelDrift

92,271 posts

313 months

Saturday 15th October 2005
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TeGriffic said:
Where exactly is the starter motor.


If it's in the same place as mine it's under the exhaust manifold on the right hand side of the engine, black with think red wire going into it.

JoolzB

3,549 posts

278 months

Saturday 15th October 2005
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FourWheelDrift said:

TeGriffic said:
Where exactly is the starter motor.



If it's in the same place as mine it's under the exhaust manifold on the right hand side of the engine, black with think red wire going into it.

Yep same on my 97, it's on the offside, under the exhaust manifold, I had to get to mine from under the car, removal is dead simple (once you've done it once). I really am no expert so hopefully somebody more knowledgable will be along but I guess it may be worth taking a look to see if the teeth on the flywheel are damaged.

spend

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280 months

Sunday 16th October 2005
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Sure the Starter is bolted tight to the bell-housing?

Paddock used to sell Starters for @44 - now they are on Bosch units for 85...

Dave

TeGriffic

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Sunday 16th October 2005
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Thanks for the reponses. It doues sound like the pinion is spinning against the flywheel rather than turning it, I think that's the awful noise I can hear. I'm assumming that if any teeth broke, I'd see some fragments under the car ?

Ballistic Banana

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296 months

Sunday 16th October 2005
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TeGriffic said:
Thanks for the reponses. It doues sound like the pinion is spinning against the flywheel rather than turning it, I think that's the awful noise I can hear. I'm assumming that if any teeth broke, I'd see some fragments under the car ?


Possibly or they might still be in the housing making more noise.

This is my old one and the newer smaller prestolite one. you can see where the broken teeth may sit.

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Mine was bolted using them bloody allen bolts neede a fair few extensions and an elbow to get at the top and a little guidance from someone looking in from above.

If yours has these allen bolts I would recommend changing them for normal ones.

BB

Tegriffic

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Monday 17th October 2005
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Well Saturday coming the starter is coming out. Fingers crossed the ring gear is all OK and it's the starter that only needs some cash.

JoolzB

3,549 posts

278 months

Monday 17th October 2005
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Like I say it's pretty simple just make sure the battery is disconnected first. I believe I used a 10" extension on the top and a longer extension for the bottom as the chassis gets in the way, I believe the allen bolts were 8mm but can confirm if you need.

Good luck

v8 racing

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280 months

Monday 17th October 2005
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although you say the battery is ok, i have had this sort of thing before and it ended up being bad contacts, just make sure you have a damn good earth and a good positive, if in doubt on the earth which it normally is just run a new one

TeGriffic

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Saturday 22nd October 2005
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Well, I think I found where the noise was coming from....

Ballistic Banana

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296 months

Saturday 22nd October 2005
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never seen one like that before, was it loose, cant see who it would brake there unless something hit it?


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seasider

12,728 posts

278 months

Saturday 22nd October 2005
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How did you get on Shawn...

>> Edited by seasider on Saturday 22 October 17:41

TeGriffic

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Sunday 23rd October 2005
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Well, the Lucas M78R which I have here comes in two types apparently. You can have the M78R "small" type and the M78R "large" type.... don't get me started...

seasider

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278 months

Sunday 23rd October 2005
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TeGriffic said:
don't get me started...
Ooops...

Give me a bell if you need to mate...

TeGriffic

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Saturday 29th October 2005
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Ballistic Banana said:
never seen one like that before, was it loose, cant see who it would brake there unless something hit it?
BB


Just been to Startright and manages to source a new starter. The bloke there produced the same starter with the same broken bit and tells me it's because the timing is out. There's no signs of the timing being out but I'm interested - anyone else heard of incorrect timing causing the starter motor to crack ?