How is your pipe dressed ?
How is your pipe dressed ?
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steve-v8s

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2,924 posts

277 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Having got my Griff back form the menders I now have the usual task of reassembling it. Please could you advise on a couple of things :-

Looking from the front of the car the radiator hose on the right hand side catches the bonnet when it is closing. After two or three attempts it has taken a chunk out of the front edge of the bonnet Please could someone look under the bonnet just as you start to push it down and see if is normal for the hose to be very close. It may just be that I need to move the clip round a bit.

Where the exhaust goes towards the ground and then turns towards the rear there is bracket attached to the block. Does this bracket go against the block or should there be a spacer ? Mine is just flapping about.

My car now has thicker oil, Valvliene 10-40 compared to the Mobil1 I have always used. On starting from cold, something, I think valve gear or tappets clatter loudly for 20 seconds or so and then go quiet. Anybody else get this with thicker oil ?

Thanks

97octane

2,203 posts

252 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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It's all a bit close in there! Though no problem with the rad hose, the bonnet does rub on the air intake pipe. The problem with Tivs is that the tolerances they work to in Blackpool aren't that good & the bodywork is rarely the same on any two Griffs. It could, as you say be a question of fiddling & tweaking the hose & clip positions

number 7

4,113 posts

291 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Steve, I run Motul 15 50 in the Wedge, and I can't say I recall any difference in initial noise levels conmpared to when I ran a 5 50 oil. It might occasionally take a minute to quieten first thing, but really only when it's not been run for a couple of weeks.

So are these other things failings by the repairer to properly re-assemble the car?

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v8sag

827 posts

239 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Hi Steve
The exhaust bracket should bolt staight to the block,but I guess it does'nt matter if there is a spacer as long it's tight,as far as the rad hose goe's i'll send you a photo,as i'm stripping a unadulterated car at the mo.

steve-v8s

Original Poster:

2,924 posts

277 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Thanks Sag. Pic would be useful. None of the under bonnet pics I have found show that hose, they stop just short of it.

7, It seems to be the norm with the outfit I just got it back from. Last time the plugs were only finger tight and a pipe was off the fuel regulator. Time before it was the rear exhaust mounting loose and then the new injectors broke before I got home. Makes you wonder if the big end bolts were done up.

number 7

4,113 posts

291 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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steve-v8s said:
7, It seems to be the norm with the outfit I just got it back from. Last time the plugs were only finger tight and a pipe was off the fuel regulator. Time before it was the rear exhaust mounting loose and then the new injectors broke before I got home. Makes you wonder if the big end bolts were done up.


You'd have thought (or at least hoped) that on the third occasion in their hands they would make a special effort to get everything spot on. Reputations are easily lost, and I must admit that I was sceptical about using them based on friends experiences, although I did go ahead. Your case does seem to reinforce this apparent lack of professionalism, which seems at odds with their current reputation.

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steve-v8s

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2,924 posts

277 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Quite

Fair to say I am fairly fed up with the situation, especially as I have just topped up the coolant ( after tightening the two bolts that hold the header tank on because it was all loose and floppy) and run the car up to temperature in the driveway only to find a pool of oil underneath, which is fairly much the last straw. Can’t see where it is coming from but it is somewhere well above the filter.

I won’t directly say who it is but, really, people take care before handing your car over, even if they are talked about on here.

topsparks

1,202 posts

276 months

Tuesday 23rd May 2006
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Steve,I know who's has been doing your work and if its any consolation when they had my Griff on their rolling road (2 sessions)I was given a bill for £1200 and given the car back car still broken!and found out latter that the brand new engine was bore washed and needed rebuilding.

number 7

4,113 posts

291 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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Steve, that's appalling. They cannot have road tested your car at all. I suppose all you can do is make people aware of your experience and take your business eleswhere. Hope everything else is working properly.

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steve-v8s

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2,924 posts

277 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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No sadly not, on starting from cold there is a loud and worrying clatter from the top end, best described as CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACKITY CLACK which fades away after 30 seconds or so. Can’t really decide what to do, have spent a whole lot of money, quite a bit more that I originally budgeted for and have a car that I am a lot less happy with than before. If I take it back it will probably me there another month, pick up even more scratches and still not be right.

On the bright side the fuelling is plainly a lot different to last time I collected it, I used less than half the amount of petrol on the journey home. So it seems the mapping is a bit closer to where it should have been 3 months ago.

number 7

4,113 posts

291 months

Wednesday 24th May 2006
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Might it be worth taking it back, leaving during the day to cool down, get them to start it and without any investigative work, advise whether they think the noise is normal or indicative of a problem? At least then you'll have an idea of whether they're trying to fob you off. Then get a second opinion from someone familiar with the cars. Depending on that, you may have grounds to get remidial work done elsewhere, and bill the original garage. It's not as if they haven't had more than sufficient opportunity to do things properly, so I don't think that's unreasonable.

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ben240z

34 posts

268 months

Thursday 25th May 2006
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steve-v8s said:
No sadly not, on starting from cold there is a loud and worrying clatter from the top end, best described as CLACK CLACK CLACK CLACKITY CLACK which fades away after 30 seconds or so.

hi steve, does the griff run hydraulic tappets or solid. If it runs hydraulic then it sounds as if they are not holding the prime of oil when the engine is left to stand. Normally a problem with older engines, ie mk 3 escorts and cavaliers. The only way to cure this is to replace the hydraulic tappets. Not a major drama to do but expensive. Thicker oil should have cured the problem not made it worse. Have you found the oil leak yet?
Are you coming up to gurston this weekend? speak soon ben

steve-v8s

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277 months

Thursday 25th May 2006
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Hi Ben

No not coming, not had time to fix the oil leak, which stopped me from addressing the Q60 issue which probably wouldn’t have worked anyway. A proper Q2 would be about 1400 quid + vat and not until July. Sent you an email about that. Toy car fund is a bit empty after throwing money at the engine.

Yes it has hydraulic tappets, but I think it is something more sinister than that. I can feel a chat with a barrister in the offing.