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Anyone got them on there Griffith? Linky
I Know that Austecs do them, was hoping might get some feedback from anyone who has them. Got to get some new suspension on mine soon so looking at all the options..so many threads read and so confused as to which ones. Nitrons,Gazshocks and Protechs seem are on my short list atm
BB
I Know that Austecs do them, was hoping might get some feedback from anyone who has them. Got to get some new suspension on mine soon so looking at all the options..so many threads read and so confused as to which ones. Nitrons,Gazshocks and Protechs seem are on my short list atm
BB
Ballistic Banana said:
Anyone got them on there Griffith? Linky
I Know that Austecs do them, was hoping might get some feedback from anyone who has them. Got to get some new suspension on mine soon so looking at all the options..so many threads read and so confused as to which ones. Nitrons,Gazshocks and Protechs seem are on my short list atm
BB
I Know that Austecs do them, was hoping might get some feedback from anyone who has them. Got to get some new suspension on mine soon so looking at all the options..so many threads read and so confused as to which ones. Nitrons,Gazshocks and Protechs seem are on my short list atm
BB
Over here they are 2800 euros for the 1K2 version and 1700 euros for the steel RSA version.
Fred
Ballistic Banana said:
Anyone got them on there Griffith? Linky
I Know that Austecs do them, was hoping might get some feedback from anyone who has them. Got to get some new suspension on mine soon so looking at all the options..so many threads read and so confused as to which ones. Nitrons,Gazshocks and Protechs seem are on my short list atm
BB
I Know that Austecs do them, was hoping might get some feedback from anyone who has them. Got to get some new suspension on mine soon so looking at all the options..so many threads read and so confused as to which ones. Nitrons,Gazshocks and Protechs seem are on my short list atm
BB
I've not tried them myself,but in May last year i was talking to a chap who had them on his Griff,having had Nitrons previously.He was not impressed in that he noticed no improvement,despite having had them checked and adjusted etc.It wasn't that they werent good,just that they were no better.He convinced me enough to stick with the Nitrons!
I know i've always banged on about how good the Protechs are,and how close they are to Nitrons,and a couple of weeks ago i was reminded of this.I was lucky enough to drive Jeffsys new monster 5.4 Griff,and throughout the whole drive i never even thought about the handling,it really drove beautifully.After the drive he startd talking about his Protechs,and it was only then i realised that that was what i'd been riding on!!They really are very close to Nitrons indeed,which is no surprise i guess,given there is a connection there.
Ballistic Banana said:
Anyone got them on there Griffith? Linky
I Know that Austecs do them, was hoping might get some feedback from anyone who has them. Got to get some new suspension on mine soon so looking at all the options..so many threads read and so confused as to which ones. Nitrons,Gazshocks and Protechs seem are on my short list atm
BB
I Know that Austecs do them, was hoping might get some feedback from anyone who has them. Got to get some new suspension on mine soon so looking at all the options..so many threads read and so confused as to which ones. Nitrons,Gazshocks and Protechs seem are on my short list atm
BB
Hi BB
Austec have a demo Griff with Intrax fitted, I'm sure Paul would let you test drive it.
Customers that i know with them fitted are very impressed and are doing very well on the track, but it's a personal thing always best to try them yourself.
Cheers Tim
Ballistic Banana said:
Anyone got them on there Griffith? Linky
I Know that Austecs do them, was hoping might get some feedback from anyone who has them. Got to get some new suspension on mine soon so looking at all the options..so many threads read and so confused as to which ones. Nitrons,Gazshocks and Protechs seem are on my short list atm
BB
I Know that Austecs do them, was hoping might get some feedback from anyone who has them. Got to get some new suspension on mine soon so looking at all the options..so many threads read and so confused as to which ones. Nitrons,Gazshocks and Protechs seem are on my short list atm
BB
Confused is an understatement so much info on the forums on shocks i must have some myself soon though 52K on standard billys , am leaning towards protechs will be getting some before aprils mot will post what they feel like , though to be honest anything would be better than whats on at the minute.
Hi All,
This is my first post on PH. I thought it might be valuable to share my experiences as someone who has run both Nitrons and Intrax.
I’ve owned TVR’s for the past 5 years and currently run a modified Griff 500. The Griff has spent the past 7 months on Intrax and before that just over a year on Nitrons. The Nitrons were a significant improvement over the standard, however, I’ve found the Intrax take a significant step forward again. The combination of body control and ride quality with the Intrax is simply stunning. I’ve done 4 track days on the Intrax and every instructor has commented on the outstanding control of the car. The Intrax are equally as impressive on the road. I can safely say I haven’t looked back.
This is my first post on PH. I thought it might be valuable to share my experiences as someone who has run both Nitrons and Intrax.
I’ve owned TVR’s for the past 5 years and currently run a modified Griff 500. The Griff has spent the past 7 months on Intrax and before that just over a year on Nitrons. The Nitrons were a significant improvement over the standard, however, I’ve found the Intrax take a significant step forward again. The combination of body control and ride quality with the Intrax is simply stunning. I’ve done 4 track days on the Intrax and every instructor has commented on the outstanding control of the car. The Intrax are equally as impressive on the road. I can safely say I haven’t looked back.
For what it's worth this is my 2 penneth ...
The set up on any TVR is so critical to how the car feels that unless it is a true back to back test, any driver is going to find it hard to truly equate and quantify the difference between what are very similarly designed and produced dampers.
I am sure Intrax, Protech and Nitrons actually offer pretty similar experiences for the normal driver.
I know people who have gome from Nitrons to Ohlins and been dissapointed, the reason being that you have to be a pretty special driver to really notice the difference between them, so what hope at this end of the scale ...
I have Nitrons, they are far better than standard, although the adjustment ratchet needs sorting out on 2 out 4, even though they spend their lifes wrapped in damper protectors.
The other thing people are not bringing to this discussion is spring rates.
So we are all comapring dampers, with probable set up changes, and differing spring rates and then trying to drive an objective view. Given most people will have their dampers fitted for them and therefore have a suspension set up at the same time, then the car is bound to feel very different ....
It's not easy to choose BB and the forums do give you a huge amount of feedback to go with.
For me, the sealer of the deal for Nitrons, (intrax etc not really around then) is that they have expanded in to bike dampers and are getting good reports.
You know as well as anyone how demanding an arena that is, and that's enough for me.
The set up on any TVR is so critical to how the car feels that unless it is a true back to back test, any driver is going to find it hard to truly equate and quantify the difference between what are very similarly designed and produced dampers.
I am sure Intrax, Protech and Nitrons actually offer pretty similar experiences for the normal driver.
I know people who have gome from Nitrons to Ohlins and been dissapointed, the reason being that you have to be a pretty special driver to really notice the difference between them, so what hope at this end of the scale ...
I have Nitrons, they are far better than standard, although the adjustment ratchet needs sorting out on 2 out 4, even though they spend their lifes wrapped in damper protectors.
The other thing people are not bringing to this discussion is spring rates.
So we are all comapring dampers, with probable set up changes, and differing spring rates and then trying to drive an objective view. Given most people will have their dampers fitted for them and therefore have a suspension set up at the same time, then the car is bound to feel very different ....
It's not easy to choose BB and the forums do give you a huge amount of feedback to go with.
For me, the sealer of the deal for Nitrons, (intrax etc not really around then) is that they have expanded in to bike dampers and are getting good reports.
You know as well as anyone how demanding an arena that is, and that's enough for me.
Not tried the others but do rate Nitrons for two reasons. They were a massive improvement over the standard fit and possibly more importantly, you can phone them up and seek helpful advice directly from someone who seems to know what he is on about. Oh and if you take them off while cleaning up the chassis and loose one of the spacers there is no big deal about supplying a spare. Good product and top service.
johno said:
Lots of good objective stuff
They certainly look very good. I guess a lot of it will come down to how much you want to spend as well. IIRC the Nitrons are signifigantly more expensive than the Gaz or Protechs.
But as johno said, will you be able to tell the difference?
Has anybody tested different dampers at the same settings and spring rates on the same car? Would make very interesting reading if that's your sort of thing.
Edited by Wildfire on Monday 15th January 17:29
Wildfire said:
[quote=johno]Lots of good objective stuff[quote]
They certainly look very good. I guess a lot of it will come down to how much you want to spend as well. IIRC the Nitrons are signifigantly more expensive than the Gaz or Protechs.
But as johno said, will you be able to tell the difference?
Has anybody tested different dampers at the same settings and spring rates on the same car? Would make very interesting reading if that's your sort of thing.
They certainly look very good. I guess a lot of it will come down to how much you want to spend as well. IIRC the Nitrons are signifigantly more expensive than the Gaz or Protechs.
But as johno said, will you be able to tell the difference?
Has anybody tested different dampers at the same settings and spring rates on the same car? Would make very interesting reading if that's your sort of thing.
Well
I'm doing TVRCC suspension clinics at Dulford and Offords this year and I've got Ohlins to put on a car and I have no doubt the odd set of Nitrons might turn up (when I rip them off Guillotines car to fit my new walking talking gas charged doubles for instance) so you can check out the difference if you wish.
Guillotine could tell the difference on track between bottom and top range shocks but could us normal guys?
I couldn't tell the difference, I'm quite sure ..... However, given what I know of Guillotine, and the use he puts his car through, I am quite sure he could.
I may be able to tell how much damping they offered versus the previous set, but could I quantify it, suggest where it improved the drivability of a car .... No .. I am no where near consistent enough in terms of pace and car control to start with, let alone understanding what I'm really looking for. I suggest many of us are in that position as well, I can not speak for others but that is my view.
I've done 40k+ miles in my Griffith, and I reckon I know it pretty well, I've used it on the road and on track, and I can tell when I've changed suspension settings, including Steves ARB drop links, poly bushes and brake upgrades etc etc and what effect they have had to how the car feels when I drive it. But real relative performance differences between two sets of dampers with probable close performance, I do not believe I could tell, and let alone whether any additional investment was worthwhile from the assessment.
I think it comes down to a number of things ..
1 - Reputation of supplier
2 - Value versus feedback from users
3 - How much do you have to spend
4 - What you like the look of
5 - What use are they really going to get
Ultimately the car is so affected by spring rates, geometry and ARB efficiency that the damper is not the least of your worries, but is only a another link in the chain.
Spend as much as you can afford, based on the feedback from others.
I may be able to tell how much damping they offered versus the previous set, but could I quantify it, suggest where it improved the drivability of a car .... No .. I am no where near consistent enough in terms of pace and car control to start with, let alone understanding what I'm really looking for. I suggest many of us are in that position as well, I can not speak for others but that is my view.
I've done 40k+ miles in my Griffith, and I reckon I know it pretty well, I've used it on the road and on track, and I can tell when I've changed suspension settings, including Steves ARB drop links, poly bushes and brake upgrades etc etc and what effect they have had to how the car feels when I drive it. But real relative performance differences between two sets of dampers with probable close performance, I do not believe I could tell, and let alone whether any additional investment was worthwhile from the assessment.
I think it comes down to a number of things ..
1 - Reputation of supplier
2 - Value versus feedback from users
3 - How much do you have to spend
4 - What you like the look of
5 - What use are they really going to get
Ultimately the car is so affected by spring rates, geometry and ARB efficiency that the damper is not the least of your worries, but is only a another link in the chain.
Spend as much as you can afford, based on the feedback from others.
My name is Ian and my suspesion is pants.
There, I feel better now its in the open. But since I drive like an old lady it can wait a bit to get sorted (thought I'd get that in before one of you buggers come along and say it anyway
)
I'm looking forward to doing something about it eventually though and it will be very interesting to see how much difference it makes when I replace what I believe are the original Konis.
First on my list though are getting my arse to the garage to finish the targa roof seals, fit new plugs, extenders, magnecours, dizzy, ACT SS manifolds, engine mounts and exhaust belly pan bushes. All of which are either in the garage already or on their way in the post. I've just been for a drive before I embark on this lot. The next drive may be some time
There, I feel better now its in the open. But since I drive like an old lady it can wait a bit to get sorted (thought I'd get that in before one of you buggers come along and say it anyway
) I'm looking forward to doing something about it eventually though and it will be very interesting to see how much difference it makes when I replace what I believe are the original Konis.
First on my list though are getting my arse to the garage to finish the targa roof seals, fit new plugs, extenders, magnecours, dizzy, ACT SS manifolds, engine mounts and exhaust belly pan bushes. All of which are either in the garage already or on their way in the post. I've just been for a drive before I embark on this lot. The next drive may be some time
This is it, everybody has their own agenda's.
I'm not trying to be clever on this subject, I've driven loads of cars with all makes of shocks fitted and generally unless they are knackered, they drive Ok but when it comes to geo I have very rarely seen one that is anywhere near right, this is the main reason for the clinics.
The only thing I have noticed on some ranges of less expensive dampers is lineal adjustments and that is very frustrating when you try and set them up.
I'm not trying to be clever on this subject, I've driven loads of cars with all makes of shocks fitted and generally unless they are knackered, they drive Ok but when it comes to geo I have very rarely seen one that is anywhere near right, this is the main reason for the clinics.
The only thing I have noticed on some ranges of less expensive dampers is lineal adjustments and that is very frustrating when you try and set them up.
I've had Nitorns on the V8S, going for Intrax on the Cerb.
I was well pleased with the Nitrons and tbh I doubt that I could tell the difference between them, but I'm of the buy the best you can afford school.
What I can say though the build quality of Intrax is something else
. Not sure of weight differences but I know the Intrax compared to steel bodied dampers is significant 
.
Didn't Guy at Nitron use to work for Intrax before he came up with his own damper design and company
I was well pleased with the Nitrons and tbh I doubt that I could tell the difference between them, but I'm of the buy the best you can afford school.
What I can say though the build quality of Intrax is something else
. Not sure of weight differences but I know the Intrax compared to steel bodied dampers is significant . Didn't Guy at Nitron use to work for Intrax before he came up with his own damper design and company
HarryW said:
I've had Nitorns on the V8S, going for Intrax on the Cerb.
I was well pleased with the Nitrons and tbh I doubt that I could tell the difference between them, but I'm of the buy the best you can afford school.
What I can say though the build quality of Intrax is something else. Not sure of weight differences but I know the Intrax compared to steel bodied dampers is significant .
Didn't Guy at Nitron use to work for Intrax before he came up with his own damper design and company
I was well pleased with the Nitrons and tbh I doubt that I could tell the difference between them, but I'm of the buy the best you can afford school.
What I can say though the build quality of Intrax is something else
. Not sure of weight differences but I know the Intrax compared to steel bodied dampers is significant . Didn't Guy at Nitron use to work for Intrax before he came up with his own damper design and company
Sorry to prick your bubble Harry, he was at Spax
The guru at Intrax used to run White Power who made MS's shocks when he was at Benniton;sp
Edited by the gazman on Monday 15th January 17:19
the gazman said:
This is it, everybody has their own agenda's.
I'm not trying to be clever on this subject, I've driven loads of cars with all makes of shocks fitted and generally unless they are knackered, they drive Ok but when it comes to geo I have very rarely seen one that is anywhere near right, this is the main reason for the clinics.
The only thing I have noticed on some ranges of less expensive dampers is lineal adjustments and that is very frustrating when you try and set them up.
I'm not trying to be clever on this subject, I've driven loads of cars with all makes of shocks fitted and generally unless they are knackered, they drive Ok but when it comes to geo I have very rarely seen one that is anywhere near right, this is the main reason for the clinics.
The only thing I have noticed on some ranges of less expensive dampers is lineal adjustments and that is very frustrating when you try and set them up.
Do you mean the adjustment of the less expensive ones is non-linear
. Also I think the ability of the more expensive ones to be consistant no matter what the ambient and internal temperatures are makes a difference too.
the gazman said:
HarryW said:
I've had Nitorns on the V8S, going for Intrax on the Cerb.
I was well pleased with the Nitrons and tbh I doubt that I could tell the difference between them, but I'm of the buy the best you can afford school.
What I can say though the build quality of Intrax is something else. Not sure of weight differences but I know the Intrax compared to steel bodied dampers is significant .
Didn't Guy at Nitron use to work for Intrax before he came up with his own damper design and company
I was well pleased with the Nitrons and tbh I doubt that I could tell the difference between them, but I'm of the buy the best you can afford school.
What I can say though the build quality of Intrax is something else
. Not sure of weight differences but I know the Intrax compared to steel bodied dampers is significant . Didn't Guy at Nitron use to work for Intrax before he came up with his own damper design and company
Sorry to prick your bubble Harry, he was at Spax
No problem, glad you clarified the point, I knew it was one of the other companies. Not sure where bubbles come into it though
HarryW said:
Do you mean the adjustment of the less expensive ones is non-linear
. Also I think the ability of the more expensive ones to be consistant no matter what the ambient and internal temperatures are makes a difference too.
No Harry
Better dampers have graduated adjustments which make it much easier to set the car up, nothing worse than going one more click and going miles too hard.
Gas charged dampers will keep consistant temperatures and not be liable to cavitate but as long as you have a decent high VI oil with anti foaming agents and a gas cell to stop cavitation, you can get good results from twintube dampers.
Its when you do anything more than 20min sprint races that you find out the shortcomings of twin tubes and most would then go over to remote resovoirs with anything up to 15bar nitrogen pressure.
AND GUESS WHAT I'VE NOW GOT
Edited by the gazman on Monday 15th January 17:30
Edited by the gazman on Monday 15th January 17:33
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