Toyos still scaring me to death..... getting bored now !
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Just took the Griff for a 250 mile blast. Wanted to get these new(ish) Toyo's well cured so that the 'scared to death' feeling since they were fitted finally goes away. Bad news is just as scarey after as before.
Now seriously thinking of other options. Scrap the tyres and buys a set of R888's. Invest in an alignment and setup session.... but then it was fine with the SO2's and nothing has changed.
Now seriously thinking of other options. Scrap the tyres and buys a set of R888's. Invest in an alignment and setup session.... but then it was fine with the SO2's and nothing has changed.
Moto said:
Just took the Griff for a 250 mile blast. Wanted to get these new(ish) Toyo's well cured so that the 'scared to death' feeling since they were fitted finally goes away. Bad news is just as scarey after as before.
Now seriously thinking of other options. Scrap the tyres and buys a set of R888's. Invest in an alignment and setup session.... but then it was fine with the SO2's and nothing has changed.
Hello steve ive got TOyos all round on mine and they where a little skittish for the first couple of hundred miles , but they settled down after that and are fine now , i run mine at 26PSI all round which i find fine but you can go lower . might be worth checking the pressures as when mine were first fitted had 34 in all round and the car was terrible to drive like that .Now seriously thinking of other options. Scrap the tyres and buys a set of R888's. Invest in an alignment and setup session.... but then it was fine with the SO2's and nothing has changed.
As said heck the pressures, even if you told the fitter the correct pressures they often won't believe you as they are so low when compared to most other cars on the road. I asked for 22 in mine and when I drove off it felt like I had power steering.
Mine were griping fine until the aqua planning into the crash barrier lol
Mine were griping fine until the aqua planning into the crash barrier lol
Moto said:
Just took the Griff for a 250 mile blast. Wanted to get these new(ish) Toyo's well cured so that the 'scared to death' feeling since they were fitted finally goes away. Bad news is just as scarey after as before.
Now seriously thinking of other options. Scrap the tyres and buys a set of R888's. Invest in an alignment and setup session.... but then it was fine with the SO2's and nothing has changed.
I've got new Toyo's on the back of mine too and am desperately trying to run them in too to enjoy handling rather than fear again.Now seriously thinking of other options. Scrap the tyres and buys a set of R888's. Invest in an alignment and setup session.... but then it was fine with the SO2's and nothing has changed.
It's not so much grip that's the problem but the disconcerting jelly-like feeling from the back end almost swaying on the sidewalls / tread of the tyres! Mine too was fine on the old boots and has just had an alignment so I'm sure its just the tyres. I'm hoping they'll sort themselves out like everybody says soon.
As an aside, mine came off Conti Sportcontacts in a Porsche N1 spec on the rear. The Toyo's are definitely more comfortable (presumably due to softer sidewalls) but the stiffer sidewalls did give the back-end a really locked-in feel to the road. Hopefully the Toyo's will firm up with a trip to Goodwood and back? I'm running 26psi BTW to account for the softer sidewalls.
Had the Proxes R before and indeed they take ages to bed in.
Now have 888's and what a difference: the car is fully transformed, so much grip, so much confidence and so relaxed, can't believe it. Even in the wet they are not that bad as long as you take it easy.
Can't recommend them enough.
Now have 888's and what a difference: the car is fully transformed, so much grip, so much confidence and so relaxed, can't believe it. Even in the wet they are not that bad as long as you take it easy.
Can't recommend them enough.
What sensations have you been getting from them? I put Toyos on the back of mine and the thing seems to tramline everywhere. Had Bridgestones on before and didn't think that the backs would have such an affect on directional stability. Sure on a smooth road there is plenty of grip but on a B-road its just too hairy to start hammering the brakes or throttle. This the same for you or is it a different issue.
Tyre pressures are a good starting point though (mine was on 36psi post tyre centre)
Tyre pressures are a good starting point though (mine was on 36psi post tyre centre)
It's good to know I'm not alone with this problem. I've tried pressures between 20 & 25 - sounds like I need to try higher still. This would also tie in with the sensation that the side walls are made of jelly. Grip isn't a problem though.
Interesting comment Gerjo on experience of the R888. That good eh!
I'll give it another 250 mls and then make a decision. Thanks for all the feedback though.
Interesting comment Gerjo on experience of the R888. That good eh!
I'll give it another 250 mls and then make a decision. Thanks for all the feedback though.
You need to run Toyo proxes at 26 psi all round for normal road use.
How do I know? Well I don't but Heath Griggs from the old factory got that data recently from the Toyo rep and adjusted mine accoringly. And yes before you say, I thought it was a bit high too.
Mine isn't twitchy at all unless you want it that way. I'm guessing the proxes have even softer sidewalls then the good ole SO2's
Dave
How do I know? Well I don't but Heath Griggs from the old factory got that data recently from the Toyo rep and adjusted mine accoringly. And yes before you say, I thought it was a bit high too.
Mine isn't twitchy at all unless you want it that way. I'm guessing the proxes have even softer sidewalls then the good ole SO2's
Dave
Mine came from the factory on T1S's had a set T1 R's fitted, car felt like it was on casters, horrible. After any sharp direction change the car would give a big shimmy, very unnerving. Checked the pressures 30psi all round courtesy of the tyre fitter!! Reduced to 22 front 24 rear car now stable, turns in and no weaving.
Get a full Geo set up.
Mine has Toyos all round with the fronts being only a few weeks old. The car handles like a different car to when i first bought it ... grips like superglue and in the runs down and back from Le Mans in the belting rain and a few drive outs whilst down there all at pretty enthusiastic speeds handled like a dream.
Mine has Toyos all round with the fronts being only a few weeks old. The car handles like a different car to when i first bought it ... grips like superglue and in the runs down and back from Le Mans in the belting rain and a few drive outs whilst down there all at pretty enthusiastic speeds handled like a dream.
Might also be worth making an abvious statement here. The weather is hotter so the tyres you put on a few months back will be a bit quicker to get road temp, plus they have a few months curing in them.
I remember coming out of Bracknell tyres (are they still going?) on a new set of SO2's a few years back and the first few miles where like driving on a bloody ice rink. And this was spring decent weather
My recent set of Toyos were stuck on at TVR Barnet (about 1 year old), they said they need a few good blasts through the warm/cool cycle to bed in, but I drove them straight from Barnet to Lytham with no fuss. I used to run them at 22/24 until Heath corrected me (see above post)
Having just gone to check the wear it's pretty good. Also I noticed that my fronts are just R rated whilst the rears are ZR? Doesn't that have implication on insurance, I had assumed it would be ZR all round.
Dave
I remember coming out of Bracknell tyres (are they still going?) on a new set of SO2's a few years back and the first few miles where like driving on a bloody ice rink. And this was spring decent weather
My recent set of Toyos were stuck on at TVR Barnet (about 1 year old), they said they need a few good blasts through the warm/cool cycle to bed in, but I drove them straight from Barnet to Lytham with no fuss. I used to run them at 22/24 until Heath corrected me (see above post)
Having just gone to check the wear it's pretty good. Also I noticed that my fronts are just R rated whilst the rears are ZR? Doesn't that have implication on insurance, I had assumed it would be ZR all round.
Dave
burriana said:
Get a full Geo set up.
Mine has Toyos all round with the fronts being only a few weeks old. The car handles like a different car to when i first bought it ... grips like superglue and in the runs down and back from Le Mans in the belting rain and a few drive outs whilst down there all at pretty enthusiastic speeds handled like a dream.
What is a geo set up?? Is this some kind of suspension alteration? If so is it expensive and what does it do to ride quality/tramlining?Mine has Toyos all round with the fronts being only a few weeks old. The car handles like a different car to when i first bought it ... grips like superglue and in the runs down and back from Le Mans in the belting rain and a few drive outs whilst down there all at pretty enthusiastic speeds handled like a dream.
George 500 said:
What is a geo set up?? Is this some kind of suspension alteration? If so is it expensive and what does it do to ride quality/tramlining?
TVR's have fully adjustable double wisbone suspension, just like a race car. which means in addition to setting your steering tracking you can adjust the the toe angle at the rear, camber angles etc. I think from memory I pay about £125 for a full setup. with adjustable shocks you can also adjust the ride hieghts which allows you to balance the weight distribution between all four wheels.Its well worth doing as these cars will handle amazingly with a few tweaks.
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