Sump oil surge
Sump oil surge
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Bluebottle

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3,498 posts

270 months

Sunday 9th September 2007
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Has anyone else experienced it on track, if so what were the symptoms and did it have any lasting effect?

steve-V8s

2,924 posts

278 months

Monday 10th September 2007
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I have pointed a video camera at the pressure gauge to check for this whilst Hill Climbing and concluded all looks OK. It may be different on a circuit.

I am lead to believe that the standard sump has a basic baffle fitted and you have to be careful with some of the after market ones as they are reported to make the situation worse .

Why do you ask ?

Else

795 posts

268 months

Monday 10th September 2007
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Yep, did about £2500 of damage on first lap around Bedford. Needed new crank and associated bearings and gaskets plus rebuild costs.

Now got the latest John Eales baffled sump, recommended and fitted by Rob at V8D.

Andy

spend

12,581 posts

281 months

Monday 10th September 2007
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Momentary flash of the oil pressure warning light.. Scared me most on the old Fiat - made sure oil tank was brimmed after that! Strangely seems to occur most often on zig zagging rather than long fast corners. You should only see it when you are working really hard... Normally keeping oil topped up and ensuring pickup is clean should suffice.

Having said that an Accusump is my dream solution (when I can afford one) as it also has great benefits at start up wink

Dave

Bluebottle

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3,498 posts

270 months

Monday 10th September 2007
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I have experienced it on boxer engines many years ago and it hydraulically locks the engine. Un-mistakeable on horizontally opposed cylinders but I have no experience of what the symptons are on a V engine arrangement.
The reason for asking is that on a previous TD I got a missfire exiting one particular corner which would clear after a couple of corners.
Couple of month of trouble free motoring and another TD, this time same corner and mid gear change from 3rd to 4th whilst still exiting corner and engine dies. no warning just like someone has hit the kill switch whilst the clutch was still down.
Engine would not turn over on starter so I coasted straight into pit lane. Tried twice at 10mins intervals to start car and the turnover was slow and laboured (as if it was hydraulically locked (I was thinking at this point I'd blown a head gasket) left it for another 1/2 hr or so and gave one more try and it fired straight up, sounded like a bag of nails for about 2/3 secs then settled down to normal.
Took the car out and for the first few laps got a bad missfire over 4K then it cleared and ran fine. I know this could be electrical but, at the same corner on different days seemed too much of a coincidence?

spend

12,581 posts

281 months

Monday 10th September 2007
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Your engine won't stop due to lack of oil, it will just grind itself to pieces wink. Sounds more like a spark / fuel problem and the infamous hot start as a subsequent consequence to me.

Dave

Bluebottle

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3,498 posts

270 months

Monday 10th September 2007
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spend said:
Your engine won't stop due to lack of oil, it will just grind itself to pieces wink. Sounds more like a spark / fuel problem and the infamous hot start as a subsequent consequence to me.

Dave
When i was referring to sump oil surge I meant when the oil washes up the barrels behind the pistons, I had no oil pressure or pickup issues that I noted.


Edited by Bluebottle on Monday 10th September 15:12

GreenV8S

31,020 posts

314 months

Monday 10th September 2007
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If the engine cuts on corners I'd suspect fuel surge rather than oil surge.

Bluebottle

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3,498 posts

270 months

Tuesday 11th September 2007
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GreenV8S said:
If the engine cuts on corners I'd suspect fuel surge rather than oil surge.
What do you mean by fuel surge?
If you mean wash in the fuel tank causing starvation, then on the second occasion this symptom happened not long after a tank refill.?