crankcase venting
crankcase venting
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panic

Original Poster:

817 posts

313 months

Saturday 22nd September 2007
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...could i fix a direct crankcase venting on one of the valve covers of my '96 500 engine, instead of the tubing going into the plenum?

something like this one used on a chevy engine...







Edited by panic on Saturday 22 September 10:41

Pasco

6,652 posts

258 months

Saturday 22nd September 2007
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I seem to recall the Muppet known as Clive f has put a small filter on his rocker cover for venting purposes, perhaps he will post a pic for you Panic yes

How's the weather for you today ?

Pasco

spend

12,581 posts

281 months

Saturday 22nd September 2007
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I thought the filters were for air going in, the vent really needs to go to an oil catch tank (which you then have to empty occasionally).

Dave

GreenV8S

31,020 posts

314 months

Saturday 22nd September 2007
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You could, but I wouldn't consider it a very good idea. You should at the very least direct it to a catch tank otherwise you're going to p!ss oil all over your engine and exhaust. You will of course be destroying the planet with the extra emissions, but the engine may run slightly better under power since it won't be burning the crud from the crank case. Enough to matter? Not for most people, I would say.

Boosted LS1

21,200 posts

290 months

Saturday 22nd September 2007
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Why don't you want to vent it into the inlet tract?

Boosted.

panic

Original Poster:

817 posts

313 months

Saturday 22nd September 2007
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Boosted LS1 said:
Why don't you want to vent it into the inlet tract?

Boosted.
because it makes a mess into my carbon plenum at the airmeter side...

panic

Original Poster:

817 posts

313 months

Saturday 22nd September 2007
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[quote=GreenV8S]You could, but I wouldn't consider it a very good idea. You should at the very least direct it to a catch tank otherwise you're going to p!ss oil all over your engine and exhaust....

i dont know... the above vette engine is having two of those venting parts and i never get any oil messing, even if you can see plenty of 'air' venting from out there, specially under heavy load...

panic

Original Poster:

817 posts

313 months

Saturday 22nd September 2007
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Pasco said:
I seem to recall the Muppet known as Clive f has put a small filter on his rocker cover for venting purposes, perhaps he will post a pic for you Panic yes

How's the weather for you today ?

Pasco
Pasco, weather 'here' in northern spain (where i live at the moment) is fine, fresh, crispy and sunshine...

spend

12,581 posts

281 months

Saturday 22nd September 2007
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panic said:
Boosted LS1 said:
Why don't you want to vent it into the inlet tract?

Boosted.
because it makes a mess into my carbon plenum at the airmeter side...
Isn't that unfortunately more an indication of a worn engine?

Dave

GreenV8S

31,020 posts

314 months

Saturday 22nd September 2007
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The fact that it's blowing out enough oil to get the inside of the plenum dirty says to me that there is enough oil coming out to be a problem if you just dump it out of the rocker cover. But it's your engine at the end of the day, so try it if are feeling brave. Just be aware that oil on a hot exhaust is a recipe for fire, and it will be rather harder to clean off the outside of the engine than the inside of your plenum. (Is the oil on the inside of the plenum really *that* much of an issue?)

If you don't want it going into the plenum then IMO a catch tank / separator is the correct solution. But unless you have an unusual engine or something wrong with it I wouldn't expect the existing positive crankcase ventilation system to cause any trouble.

panic

Original Poster:

817 posts

313 months

Saturday 22nd September 2007
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spend said:
panic said:
Boosted LS1 said:
Why don't you want to vent it into the inlet tract?

Boosted.
because it makes a mess into my carbon plenum at the airmeter side...
Isn't that unfortunately more an indication of a worn engine?

Dave
it's not bad like leaking the oil inside of the plenum but enough bad to make your fingers dirty of oil residues if you put them inside the entrance of the plenum from the airmeter side...i think it's a normal mess, still it's annoying, when with a filtered vent i bet i could have it clean.

Edited by panic on Saturday 22 September 16:47

GreenV8S

31,020 posts

314 months

Saturday 22nd September 2007
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The shiny thing in your picture looks like a flame trap not a filtered vent. It's designed to be connected via a breather system to the intake manifold, and the flame trap is there to stop any backfires in the intake from igniting the flammable mixture in the crank case. The filtered breathers you refer to sound like the filtered vents designed to allow air *in* to the crank case when you are using positive crankcase ventilation i.e. your existing setup. You should find that you already have a filtered vent, probably on the opposite corner of the engine from the flame trap. The filtered vents don't do the same job as a breather and are not designed to work as breathers. Try it by all means, but I suspect all that you would achieve with one of these is that the oil currently messing up the inside of your plenum will end up turning the vent filter into a sticky mess )quickly blocking it up) and then dripping over the rocker covers onto the exhaust.

If you want to get rid of the PCV system you need either a hose taking the breather gases away from the engine to somewhere that they can be allowed to drip safely onto the road, or (better) into a catch tank + separator where the oil and water can be removed leaving the gases to vent to atmosphere. I still find it hard to believe there's enough oil coming out to be a problem unless there's something else going wrong.

clive f

7,259 posts

263 months

Monday 24th September 2007
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Pasco said:
I seem to recall the Muppet known as Clive f has put a small filter on his rocker cover for venting purposes, perhaps he will post a pic for you Panic yes

How's the weather for you today ?

Pasco
I have a filter attatched to the breather on the nearside rocker cover, but the off side is still attatched to the inlet manifold, otherwise, as peter says, you`ll have all sorts of problems.yes

panic

Original Poster:

817 posts

313 months

Monday 24th September 2007
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I have a filter attatched to the breather on the nearside rocker cover, but the off side is still attatched to the inlet manifold, otherwise, as peter says, you`ll have all sorts of problems.yes
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clive, what's the diameter of the hole in the roker of a griff 500 engine pls?

clive f

7,259 posts

263 months

Monday 24th September 2007
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which side are you refering to?
the off side has a threaded hole to take breather filter, which is pretty big, around 25mm, but will be imperial thread, the nearside has a small pipe protuding from it for the breather, which I think is around 5-6mm diam.

any use?

panic

Original Poster:

817 posts

313 months

Monday 24th September 2007
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clive f said:
which side are you refering to?
the off side has a threaded hole to take breather filter, which is pretty big, around 25mm, but will be imperial thread, the nearside has a small pipe protuding from it for the breather, which I think is around 5-6mm diam.

any use?
yes, good info, thanks.

spend

12,581 posts

281 months

Monday 24th September 2007
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The inlet breather has an integral one way valve doesn't it? The std filters are cheap to replace from any LR dealer or Indy.

Dave

TVR_nut

390 posts

304 months

Monday 24th September 2007
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If you want the crankcase gases breathing out into the bonnet space, make sure they cannot leak into the cabin. There are some real nasties in there!

My bruvs kit car has such breathers - if you drive it hood up, you have sore eyes and a sore throat for a few days afterwards. Not nice...

Neil.

(Griff 500 with a leaking radiator)

spend

12,581 posts

281 months

Monday 24th September 2007
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TVR_nut said:
Neil.
(Griff 500 with a leaking radiator)
Hope you didn't break it doing your fans wink

Dave

GreenV8S

31,020 posts

314 months

Tuesday 25th September 2007
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spend said:
The inlet breather has an integral one way valve doesn't it? The std filters are cheap to replace from any LR dealer or Indy.
What do you mean by inlet breather? I'm not aware of a one way valve in the flame trap or the vent, or any of the PCV plumbing.