Certificate of Conformity
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Does anyone have one of these for their Griff they could photocopy and post to me?
Apparently, these were supplied with the car from new and contain information should one wish to register their Griff on the Continent.
Will gladly provide a beer to compensate time and trouble at next years Growl (if not before)
cheers
Graham
Does anyone have one of these for their Griff they could photocopy and post to me?
Apparently, these were supplied with the car from new and contain information should one wish to register their Griff on the Continent.
Will gladly provide a beer to compensate time and trouble at next years Growl (if not before)
cheers
Graham
jeffsy said:
Nice one - Im 'threading' this over there as well and getting some help/advice...but no illusive piece of paper yet!
Graham perhaps you would get a little more help if you posted this on General TVR and Gossip forum as lots of the factory lads still hang around that forum 
Might be worth talking to these people;
http://www.eurococ.eu/en/
They don't seem to do an "off the shelf" one for TVRs, but they do suggest dropping them an email.
http://www.eurococ.eu/en/
They don't seem to do an "off the shelf" one for TVRs, but they do suggest dropping them an email.
Looking at these specimen certificates on that website reveals that you can’t just photocopy one certificate and distribute it.
These have some standardisation in the format irrespective of manufacturer or language, yet each manufacturer has considerable freedom in layout, security markings, etc. Notice that in section 0.6 each must contain the individual VIN number. Hence it is specific to an individual vehicle.
This section 0.6 also contains the declaration of which type approval number and date it conforms with. Notice they all differ. The vehicles in the examples are a car, a people carrier and a campervan.
Presumably the regulations changed over time.
Therefore we would need to know which regulation would have been applicable to each model of TVR at the date of manufacture. It would be no good submitting a certificate for a 1995 car claiming it complied with campervan regulations that weren’t published until 2000.
As the certificate must contain the VIN and be signed by a Company Director, I presume that website must to go back to the original manufacturer in order to obtain a legitimate certificate.
This is curious because they offer to supply certificates from other defunct motor manufacturers, Rover for example. There can be no possibility of them contacting the manufacturer and obtaining a legitimate duplicate of the original.
One might infer that what they are therefore supplying isn’t ‘genuine’ in the true sense of the word, but is probably a good facsimile of something the car was entitled to. How legally valid this is would be with an unauthorised copy of someone else’s signature is a moot point.
Provided they sufficed to obtain registration in the new country, I wouldn’t be fussed, but getting caught might cause delay, or complete refusal.
If it is legitimate, or at least acceptable for a third party to produce a certificate, then we could, just as legitimately produce them ourselves. Provided we can work out what they need to say, we can design our own. Other manufactures designed their own. It is unlikely that any individual department would be familiar with a TVR designed certificate. TVR might have varied the form design like they did with the cars specification. Provided we produced a template that everyone used, these would soon be more familiar than the genuine article.
The suggestion on the website to drop them an email would probably get them to do something similar, but at a higher price.
These have some standardisation in the format irrespective of manufacturer or language, yet each manufacturer has considerable freedom in layout, security markings, etc. Notice that in section 0.6 each must contain the individual VIN number. Hence it is specific to an individual vehicle.
This section 0.6 also contains the declaration of which type approval number and date it conforms with. Notice they all differ. The vehicles in the examples are a car, a people carrier and a campervan.
Presumably the regulations changed over time.
Therefore we would need to know which regulation would have been applicable to each model of TVR at the date of manufacture. It would be no good submitting a certificate for a 1995 car claiming it complied with campervan regulations that weren’t published until 2000.
As the certificate must contain the VIN and be signed by a Company Director, I presume that website must to go back to the original manufacturer in order to obtain a legitimate certificate.
This is curious because they offer to supply certificates from other defunct motor manufacturers, Rover for example. There can be no possibility of them contacting the manufacturer and obtaining a legitimate duplicate of the original.
One might infer that what they are therefore supplying isn’t ‘genuine’ in the true sense of the word, but is probably a good facsimile of something the car was entitled to. How legally valid this is would be with an unauthorised copy of someone else’s signature is a moot point.
Provided they sufficed to obtain registration in the new country, I wouldn’t be fussed, but getting caught might cause delay, or complete refusal.
If it is legitimate, or at least acceptable for a third party to produce a certificate, then we could, just as legitimately produce them ourselves. Provided we can work out what they need to say, we can design our own. Other manufactures designed their own. It is unlikely that any individual department would be familiar with a TVR designed certificate. TVR might have varied the form design like they did with the cars specification. Provided we produced a template that everyone used, these would soon be more familiar than the genuine article.
The suggestion on the website to drop them an email would probably get them to do something similar, but at a higher price.
Edited by Uncle Fester on Saturday 20th September 14:34
Cheers UF et al
Its turning out to be quite an interesting exercise. There is a thread running on the Tuscan forum which has developed quite nicely. James from TVR MADS who has some experience in this area has posted and apparently there is no C of C for the Grif but you can get whats called a 'submac' which according to James would be the only piece of paperwork but pretty useless.
As it stands the belief is that paperwork or no, cars can be imported across the EU and then the new country applies whatever tests it wants to accept them into their country. In the case of France this could be easy or hard wherever you are in the country!!
The bottom line is that if anyone wants to buy a car to export I suppose the onus is on them to ensure they can do that in their own country. Caveat Emptor!
Graham
Its turning out to be quite an interesting exercise. There is a thread running on the Tuscan forum which has developed quite nicely. James from TVR MADS who has some experience in this area has posted and apparently there is no C of C for the Grif but you can get whats called a 'submac' which according to James would be the only piece of paperwork but pretty useless.
As it stands the belief is that paperwork or no, cars can be imported across the EU and then the new country applies whatever tests it wants to accept them into their country. In the case of France this could be easy or hard wherever you are in the country!!
The bottom line is that if anyone wants to buy a car to export I suppose the onus is on them to ensure they can do that in their own country. Caveat Emptor!
Graham
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