BP vs Shell
BP vs Shell
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griffdude

Original Poster:

1,894 posts

269 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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Has anyone done a comparison between Shell Optimax & the new BP Ultimate? Is it worth sticking to the 'special brew'?

Davidn

1,028 posts

280 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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I emailed BP to check the RON rating, reply - 97RON so looks like Optimax is still the 'special brew' of fuel.
David

simpo two

90,847 posts

286 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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There's thread on that not far away.

beano500

20,854 posts

296 months

Friday 12th December 2003
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And I just got an "Optimax card" to replace the Shell points-pointless-points-thingy. The nice people at Shell just sent it to me because I was using so much Optimax

Me, shallow? Nah!

simpo two

90,847 posts

286 months

Saturday 13th December 2003
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Nobody seems to realise that you're paying for the points in the price of the petrol. 'No such thing as a free point' etc!

beano500

20,854 posts

296 months

Saturday 13th December 2003
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Au contraire!

I know there's no such thing as a free lunch, but £20 off a fill up once every six months is better than a slap round the chops with a wet haddock.

Was going to buy the stuff anyway!

By some quirk of fate, the Shell garage round the corner here is only 77.9p/l too!

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

269 months

Saturday 13th December 2003
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Sometimes there is! I pay for my fuel with a credit card that gives me a 0.5% cash rebate yearly, that I pay off in full every month. Ended up with £35 last year!, plus I only use garages that run some sort of loyalty/rebate system, ie JET "smiles"/BP Nectar, so I get a rebate there too. That is, of course, assuming that the pump price is the same as other garages in the neighbourhood.

Did you know that Sainsbury's charge 2.5% to pay by credit card? No, nor did I until I saw the disclaimer on the till. Needless to say, I no longer go there.

beano500

20,854 posts

296 months

Saturday 13th December 2003
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mrmaggit said:
Did you know that Sainsbury's charge 2.5% to pay by credit card? No, nor did I until I saw the disclaimer on the till. Needless to say, I no longer go there.


Like most things in life you get what you pay for...

Big petrol company:

"well x% pay by credit card - that costs us £y so we'll charge z"

Supermarkety types:

"how can we make it look like we're saints? - let's strip out the additional cost of card transactions and dump that directly on the customers that want to pay that way. Oh, and it probably costs us 2.3% but if we round that up to 2.5% we can still make a killing but everyone will think we're wonderful 'cos the fuel price at the pump looks good - and we can give away a voucher in the supermarket. Oh and if we market branded cards as well we can make even more dosh...

...sorted!"

You pays yer money and takes yer choice!

rick.e

776 posts

292 months

Saturday 13th December 2003
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Who says you get what you pay for? Round Edinburgh Esso have gradually been upping the price differential between normal and super unleaded. It has now reached the point where Optimax is a few pence cheaper than Esso superU/L.

simpo two

90,847 posts

286 months

Saturday 13th December 2003
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mrmaggit said:
Sometimes there is! I pay for my fuel with a credit card that gives me a 0.5% cash rebate yearly, that I pay off in full every month.


Capital One give me 1%. Naa-naa-ne-naa-naa!

squirrelz

1,186 posts

292 months

Monday 15th December 2003
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mrmaggit said:
Did you know that Sainsbury's charge 2.5% to pay by credit card? No, nor did I until I saw the disclaimer on the till. Needless to say, I no longer go there.
I don't actually think that's true. Doesn't it say something like "2.5% of the total purchase price is paid to the credit card company for handling the transaction" ?

I'm pretty damn sure it's not added on top - I tend to tot up the prices if I'm only buying a few things, and I've never seen a discrepancy like 2.5%.

joolzb

3,549 posts

270 months

Monday 15th December 2003
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squirrelz said:

mrmaggit said:
Did you know that Sainsbury's charge 2.5% to pay by credit card? No, nor did I until I saw the disclaimer on the till. Needless to say, I no longer go there.

I don't actually think that's true. Doesn't it say something like "2.5% of the total purchase price is paid to the credit card company for handling the transaction" ?

I'm pretty damn sure it's not added on top - I tend to tot up the prices if I'm only buying a few things, and I've never seen a discrepancy like 2.5%.

So do you get a discount for cash? I agree with what you're saying but if it is true then surely petrol would be cheaper for notes.

mr_yogi

3,288 posts

276 months

Wednesday 17th December 2003
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Lots of shops have a surcharge for credit cards at about 2.5%, however these are absorbed by the shop - i'm sure. I had a shock when I bought a sofa and chair from John Lewis, price was something like £1500 and then noticed a 2.5% credit charge. I was about to say hang on and i'll be back with my check book but I thought i'd wait and see and sure enough the total price I had to pay was what I was expecting and the disclamer of the 2.5% was on the recipt.

cyberface

12,214 posts

278 months

Wednesday 17th December 2003
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It's a VAT reduction trick. It's 'acceptable' to customs & excise to charge a small (2.5) percentage of the total purchase price to 'card services' if paying by credit card.

The trick is that the goods are subject to VAT, whereas financial services are not. So 2.5% of each transaction is pure income, whereas the remaining portion has VAT charged which must be paid back to C&E.

The effect is that the customer pays the same amount, but the net price to the seller is higher and thus more profit is made (basically retaining a bit of the VAT instead of giving it all back to C&E).

Loads of retailers do this now, it's an easy couple of quid