I bet mine's lightre than yours! ;)
I bet mine's lightre than yours! ;)
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Bluebottle

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3,498 posts

269 months

Tuesday 26th January 2010
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Its not often that I get excited about starter motors but, after 5 years of getting hacked off with the age old hot start issues (as you do) even with John Bears excellant products, I've always had this prblem, I decid3ed it was time to spend a little extra and get a "propper starter motor" .
After the fourth starter getting fubar'd I decided it was time to buy a proper race motor even if it does cost twice the price of a std one, but i didn't expect it to be so light, It only weighs 2.7 Kilos! hey UB, neh nah ne nah nah! wink



as you can see it has an internal solanoid witch is less susceptable to heat soak, and it also has a geared drive and higher output motor for faster engine turnover.
The proof will be in the pudding (i'll be fitting it tomorrow), but I just couldn't believe how light it is!

Edited by Bluebottle on Wednesday 27th January 08:28

Belchy

89 posts

202 months

Tuesday 26th January 2010
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Hi,
Lovely looking starter motor!

(it is strange the things we get excited about on this forum!!)

Will you be wrapping it in a heat reflecting blanket?

Belchy.

Guillotine

5,516 posts

293 months

Tuesday 26th January 2010
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That looks different to mine H

Have they changed it...or did you go elsewhere?

spend

12,581 posts

280 months

Tuesday 26th January 2010
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It's a lot easier to fit the hot start kit, that even cures your stepper motor I believe winkhehe

I'm just jealous I've been waiting ages to kill my starter so I can get a lighter one! Might even take the heatshield off this winter now you reminded me evillaugh

Bluebottle

Original Poster:

3,498 posts

269 months

Tuesday 26th January 2010
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No heat shield Belchy, I'm of the opinion that it traps heat in, as the starter acts as a heat soak for the main motor.
I thought Dulfords got theirs from the same source Andy, it seems this came from "Brise" and is not the Powerlite from Racemettle. Just hope it performs the same, as it cost the same amount confused

hiltonig

3,153 posts

237 months

Tuesday 26th January 2010
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Bluebottle said:
No heat shield Belchy, I'm of the opinion that it traps heat in, as the starter acts as a heat soak for the main motor.
I thought Dulfords got theirs from the same source Andy, it seems this came from "Brise" and is not the Powerlite from Racemettle. Just hope it performs the same, as it cost the same amount confused
which one is better , the racemettel or this one ?

panic

817 posts

312 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Bluebottle said:


.....It only weighs 1.7 Kilos! hey UB, neh nah ne nah nah! wink
...and the stock one is...?bounce

900T-R

20,406 posts

286 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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8 kgs, apparently (Powerlite starter listed as 3.9 kg so this one is extremely light...).

2Munkys

1,228 posts

266 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Damn, can't see it. Maybe some more shots when it's installed eh? But anyway, how much was it Hamish?

Bluebottle

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3,498 posts

269 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Oops Slight typo paperbag I meant 2.7 kilos
As I said in my opening post Spend, I have the Modwise Hot Start kit fitted and my car still kills starters (4th one to die).
£250 Bruce smile, the Powerlite is also £250 incl. postage.

Edited by Bluebottle on Wednesday 27th January 08:34

spend

12,581 posts

280 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Was only teasing Hamish wink

Must admit I always thought Joo was off his trolley when he was adamant that wrapping shiny ally tape (very thin) around the starter worked. Yet I am struggling to kill this one, so it has definitely improved things, still can't really make sense of it though confused

Guillotine

5,516 posts

293 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Mine is the racemettel...

been fine for 3 years, bolts straight on and spins a 5L race engine when red hot. (12.5:1)
Should cope with stock stuff too biggrin

Brise are a top outfit H, they were my original choice, but as I recall, they didn't have the correct one available when I needed one and they were about 10% more expensive at the time. More digging found racemettel.

I'm sure this one will be top as well. Looks pretty much the same, same technology etc.
Mine was originally for Nascars!

Mine is wrapped, but my exhaust is different. (isn't everything rolleyes )

A

Edited by Guillotine on Wednesday 27th January 13:31

spend

12,581 posts

280 months

Wednesday 27th January 2010
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Yes, I didn't mention but I assumed when I had the manifolds.. ceramic coated it would be the end of starter burn-out. I'm still not convinced that it isn't heat generated inside or even conducted into that fries the damned things wink

All I can ascertain is that it seems all the solenoids on std versions appear to suffer the same problem eventually? hardly ever the starters just the solenoid throw. Anything that redesigns that area has to have a head start I reckon?

Hoover.

5,993 posts

271 months

Thursday 28th January 2010
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does it work ???? lol

Pasco

6,652 posts

257 months

Thursday 28th January 2010
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And Who the fk is John Bear Hamish ? hehe

Bluebottle

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3,498 posts

269 months

Thursday 28th January 2010
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Pasco said:
And Who the fk is John Bear Hamish ? hehe
fked if I know scratchchin probably some hairy ape i met down the pub paperbag

David J Beer :lightbulb: thats the chap! wasn't far out getmecoat

Howdy stranger wavey nice to see you back with us, hope all is getting better for you smile

Bluebottle

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3,498 posts

269 months

Saturday 30th January 2010
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Hoover. said:
does it work ???? lol
Why is it that nothing in life is ever simple? What should have been a 30min job took 3 hours becuase it wouldn't fit furious

The connection terminal block sits on top of the starter, and this was fouling the engine casing, preventing the starter motor from sitting flush at the mounting flange.
Initially I thought I would file off some of the black casing only the brass terminal block was only just below the surface and was imediately exposed (block now wrapped in insulating tapefrown ) As it was only fouling the engine casing at a rib and one of the core plug bosses, I spent a couple hours with a Dremmil grinding out a notch for the starter motor to fit.
Now that it IS fitted I can say that it DOES Work bounce I got the engine bay nice and hot and left the bonnet shut. Car instantly fired over without even a hint of slow cranking and it spins the engine over much faster.

spend

12,581 posts

280 months

Saturday 30th January 2010
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Isn't it possible to swing the solenoid around the casing Hamish? The ones I keep hankering after seem to do that, which I had thought smart so you could move the solenoid away from the hot bits and into cool air?

Bluebottle

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3,498 posts

269 months

Saturday 30th January 2010
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No, the casing has a moisture bleed tube on the opposite side, and that needs to be pointing down.

Edited by Bluebottle on Saturday 30th January 17:21

900T-R

20,406 posts

286 months

Saturday 30th January 2010
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Bluebottle said:
I spent a couple hours with a Dremmil grinding out a notch for the starter motor to fit.
Even more weight saved... winkthumbup

Good to hear a success story - things are hardly ever straightforward, are they? smile

got mine running properly on the twin plenum today partybounce - now to adjust the throttle cable back and I'll be sorted

Edited by 900T-R on Saturday 30th January 17:58