Kirk & Ali leaving the White Horse, Ettington
Discussion
We've had some great BBQ's for the Growl at the White Horse and Kirk and Ali have done us proude with the food, and also looked after us over the weekend in general, although my head usually suffers badly.
I'd personally like to wish them all the best in whatever they decide to do next.
If anyone would like to add a contribution please feel free.
I know Kirk has an account so hopefully he'll pick this up.
FFG
I'd personally like to wish them all the best in whatever they decide to do next.
If anyone would like to add a contribution please feel free.
I know Kirk has an account so hopefully he'll pick this up.
FFG
, and hopefully the new landlord will be as accomdating.
Excuse me chaps I'm just popping over from the dark side...
All the best to Kirk and Ali. Thanks for the good times. I can only hope that the next landlords of the White Horse are half as accommodating.
Best of luck for the future.
If you're taking on another pub then let us know where. It might be a good excuse for a run out.
All the best to Kirk and Ali. Thanks for the good times. I can only hope that the next landlords of the White Horse are half as accommodating.
Best of luck for the future.
If you're taking on another pub then let us know where. It might be a good excuse for a run out.
Just a thankyou note for kind wishes , afraid we had to leave as basically the business has collapsed. We are now bth on the hunt for new jobs. Just like to say thankyou for your business and friendship over the last few years , we've had some memoable weekends if not the driest.
I dont know whats happening re the pub as yet , hopefully you'll get the same as we provided.
Might come down and see you over the weekend of the growl , best of luck to all
kirk , ali and the lads
I dont know whats happening re the pub as yet , hopefully you'll get the same as we provided.
Might come down and see you over the weekend of the growl , best of luck to all
kirk , ali and the lads
All to common I am afraid 
When I was looking for a new venue for my group we tried 5 pubs over five months & then voted on the favourite. What amazed me was that at the end of the 5 month period 3 of the pubs had changed landlords
I am not saying this is what has happened here but I now know that there are several large pub chains that get a new landlord in paying, say £80-100,000, for a tenancy & then put the beer sales targets up so high that the tenant cannot meet them & evicts them. The pub chain then slot in the next landlord whilst pocketing the previous tenants money....nice
There is a young couple running my local & their district manager tried the exact same tactic on them, what he did not realise was that the landlords parents are close friends of the pub chains owner.....suffice to say their tenancy has been renewed
Bodders
When I was looking for a new venue for my group we tried 5 pubs over five months & then voted on the favourite. What amazed me was that at the end of the 5 month period 3 of the pubs had changed landlords
I am not saying this is what has happened here but I now know that there are several large pub chains that get a new landlord in paying, say £80-100,000, for a tenancy & then put the beer sales targets up so high that the tenant cannot meet them & evicts them. The pub chain then slot in the next landlord whilst pocketing the previous tenants money....nice
There is a young couple running my local & their district manager tried the exact same tactic on them, what he did not realise was that the landlords parents are close friends of the pub chains owner.....suffice to say their tenancy has been renewed
Bodders
There's a lot of confusion and misinformation around the pub industry and I don't blame the general public for not understanding the intricacies of it . .
I know I would not take a tenancy with any of the major Pub Groups, I wouldn't be a manager for any of the major National chains. I'd only consider a regional brewer tenancy and even then they're tough to make a good living with.
When you see major pub groups advertising their tenants making an average of £32k a year, you have to consider a couple of things. They discount that figure for equivalent mortgage payments, in general pubs are run by couples, namely £16k each and the hours are 80+ a week conservatively. How many of us would work for 80hrs a week being paid £16k ! Lot's of tenants sell their homes to buy the tenancy and when it goes wrong they have built up a significant debt with the pub group, the tenancy is not worth any money as the pub has declined and they sell for whatever they can get, in the worst cases sticking the keys through the door. They do get pursued for the debt. They've then got no home, no business and have to start from scratch. People are getting wise to it though and the pub groups realise this is not sustainable.
You have top consider what makes pub groups profitable . . is it selling beer, or is it owning a huge property portfolio from which they earn rent and asset value . . . The recession has a couple of them on the brink . . . they may not make it . . .
In an industry that is driven by disposable income in a legislative environment steered by pressure groups where alcohol is the new tobacco there is a real challenge to make the business work.
In balance, there are a considerable number of pubs which make good money for their tenant, owner . . . but you've got to really work at it, have a great location, be prepared to invest, regular customers, offer more than just drinks etc etc . . .
I know I would not take a tenancy with any of the major Pub Groups, I wouldn't be a manager for any of the major National chains. I'd only consider a regional brewer tenancy and even then they're tough to make a good living with.
When you see major pub groups advertising their tenants making an average of £32k a year, you have to consider a couple of things. They discount that figure for equivalent mortgage payments, in general pubs are run by couples, namely £16k each and the hours are 80+ a week conservatively. How many of us would work for 80hrs a week being paid £16k ! Lot's of tenants sell their homes to buy the tenancy and when it goes wrong they have built up a significant debt with the pub group, the tenancy is not worth any money as the pub has declined and they sell for whatever they can get, in the worst cases sticking the keys through the door. They do get pursued for the debt. They've then got no home, no business and have to start from scratch. People are getting wise to it though and the pub groups realise this is not sustainable.
You have top consider what makes pub groups profitable . . is it selling beer, or is it owning a huge property portfolio from which they earn rent and asset value . . . The recession has a couple of them on the brink . . . they may not make it . . .
In an industry that is driven by disposable income in a legislative environment steered by pressure groups where alcohol is the new tobacco there is a real challenge to make the business work.
In balance, there are a considerable number of pubs which make good money for their tenant, owner . . . but you've got to really work at it, have a great location, be prepared to invest, regular customers, offer more than just drinks etc etc . . .
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