500 brake upgrade

[jacjac]

Sorry I know this topic has been covered before but I can't seem to find the link and the Griffiths Pages are down. Any recommendations for a sensible, affordable brake upgrade for my 96 500 and/or a link to topic previously discussed. Thanks.

[daveb500]

I've got the kit from Hans in Holland (as have a few others on here I think) - 300mm discs and Tuscan 'AP' 4 pot calipers. I have a feeling they don't fit under the standard rims though.

Nice upgrade but about £1k so not cheap. I don't know if he has any more....

[griffdude]

This looks ok to me;

http://www.spannerfodder.com/partstore.php

Good price too.

Bit of info here;

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[scotty_d]

I fitted the wilwood 300mm but not cheap at 1k again and wont fit under the 15" wheel

[wycoller]

jacjac said:

Sorry I know this topic has been covered before but I can't seem to find the link and the Griffiths Pages are down. Any recommendations for a sensible, affordable brake upgrade for my 96 500 and/or a link to topic previously discussed. Thanks.

Plenty of people with track experience state standard brakes are good enough believe contact Uncle Bulgaria as he states not necessary to upgrade but i,m going of memory so i,d e mail him

[Johno]

As someone who's done enough on track with and without an upgrade I can say that the standard set up with good pads, decent fluid and braided lines is perfectly adequate for normal road driving.

However, having put the 300/AP combination on mine the std set up does not come close.

Also though, if you've not upgraded your suspension first, don't bother with big brakes as you need to be able to control the car under heavy braking and if you shocks/springs are past their best then the big brakes will only accentuate the problem . .

[S4CJO]

Johno said:

As someone who's done enough on track with and without an upgrade I can say that the standard set up with good pads, decent fluid and braided lines is perfectly adequate for normal road driving.

However, having put the 300/AP combination on mine the std set up does not come close.

Also though, if you've not upgraded your suspension first, don't bother with big brakes as you need to be able to control the car under heavy braking and if you shocks/springs are past their best then the big brakes will only accentuate the problem . .

As Johno and Daveb the STD set up correctly maintained and upgraded with braided lines etc is adequate for road use, however having now upgraded to the same set up of 300/AP courtesy of PH member Hansdaal with this combination the retardation factor is stunning though you’ll need to upgrade the front wheels to a minimum 16”.

The alternative is to use the Wilwood set up which is cheaper and supplied by Ian at Sportmotive which is for the Griffith and Chimaera The kit consists of 2x Wilwood 4 pot alloy callipers, 2x 300mm x 32mm directional vane rotors, 2x alloy mounting bells, 2x calliper mounting brackets and all nuts and bolts required. £699 + V.A.T. and fits under STD rims

Edited by S4CJO on Wednesday 7th April 09:24

[roseytvr]

I am currently considering simular - want to upgrade brakes but keep standard rims. Dulfords do a 285 mm vented&grooved conversion, 2x 4 pot callipers, braided hoses and pads for £580 plus vat. Anybody out there with experience on this and suitability as an upgrade if I am chasing much more power - eventually!!

[scotty_d]

S4CJO said:

The alternative is to use the Wilwood set up which is cheaper and supplied by Ian at Sportmotive which is for the Griffith and Chimaera The kit consists of 2x Wilwood 4 pot alloy callipers, 2x 300mm x 32mm directional vane rotors, 2x alloy mounting bells, 2x calliper mounting brackets and all nuts and bolts required. £699 + V.A.T. and fits under STD rims

I just bought these a few months ago and first thing Ian asked was if i had bigger wheels as i dont think the do fit under the 15" i run 17" so no issue. once V.A.T is added on and you buy new flexi lines as they need to be longer than standard lines its around the 1k mark.

Edited by scotty_d on Thursday 8th April 07:39

[matoakley]

Hi
They will fit under the standard rims, but nead to be carefull where ballance weights are and file the corners off the calliper. Well thats what I did!!

Matthew

[anonymous-user]

See here...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=3&a...

[stecozz]

http://www.zyworld.com/caprisport/1_brakes.htm

Try this fella im sure he could come up with cheaper a kit im sure

If it fits the 283mm cosworth discs it should be ok for 15" wheels

[MPoxon]

This offering from Jason at Sr8six looks quite tempting:

Sr8six Website said:

Big Brake Upgrades

Chimaera/Griffith. 4 pot light billet alloy calipers with 285mm discs. £650.00 +vat. (these fit inside the standard 15" wheel)

2 pot AP Racing upgrade to rear with internal handbrake. P.O.A.

[fastandcurious]

I have just done a brake upgrade on my own Griff 500 but I've gone up to 17" wheels so I can get 324mm discs inside. A similar job could be done using standard 16" wheels on the front but using 300mm discs from a Ford Focus ST.

The prices I paid to achieve this I believe were, although not exactly bargain basement, quite reasonable.

Tuscan AP 4 pot front calipers complete with mounting bolts. £250 (Douglas Valley Breakers)

Ford Focus MK1 RS 324mm Dia. Front discs £108 (EBC Brakes) 300mm are cheaper.

EBC Red stuff brake pads (£95)

25mm Eibach pro 25mm hub centric wheel spacers. (£95)

Stainless steel braded brake hose kit (Cerbera) £34 (HEL Performance)

Ally bar to make mounting brackets 170mm X 45mm X 25mm with 32mm slots machined 6mm deep. Drilled and tapped M12 X 1.5. Local Engineering company supplied and cut material and machined slots. (£15)!!!! Cheap.

M12 X 40mm high tensile bolts X4 (£3.25)
Drilling, tapping and fitting done at home.


Total Cost £600.25

Here are some pictures I took along the way:

[MPoxon]

fastandcurious said:

I have just done a brake upgrade on my own Griff 500 but I've gone up to 17" wheels so I can get 324mm discs inside. A similar job could be done using standard 16" wheels on the front but using 300mm discs from a Ford Focus ST.

The prices I paid to achieve this I believe were, although not exactly bargain basement, quite reasonable.

Tuscan AP 4 pot front calipers complete with mounting bolts. £250 (Douglas Valley Breakers)

Ford Focus MK1 RS 324mm Dia. Front discs £108 (EBC Brakes) 300mm are cheaper.

EBC Red stuff brake pads (£95)

25mm Eibach pro 25mm hub centric wheel spacers. (£95)

Stainless steel braded brake hose kit (Cerbera) £34 (HEL Performance)

Ally bar to make mounting brackets 170mm X 45mm X 25mm with 32mm slots machined 6mm deep. Drilled and tapped M12 X 1.5. Local Engineering company supplied and cut material and machined slots. (£15)!!!! Cheap.

M12 X 40mm high tensile bolts X4 (£3.25)
Drilling, tapping and fitting done at home.


Total Cost £600.25

Here are some pictures I took along the way:

That looks fantastic....

Are they 17" Ford Soft Spoke Alloys?

[dnb]

I did a similar upgrade to FastandCurious, but used Focus RS discs and calipers. I changed the wheels to Compomotive MO6 at the same time. I found a couple of spare adapter brackets in the garage when I was tidying up - I had 3 sets made to make up the machining order to a sensible amount.

Here's a couple of pictures of the prototype