Battery discharge!!!
Battery discharge!!!
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graham 500

Original Poster:

376 posts

283 months

Friday 16th April 2004
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Can anyone help? New battery fitted recently, it has discharged after not using the car at all for just over a week. Changed battery again and as before, after not using it for four days, it is dead flat again. I have been told that somewhere it is discharging itself any ideas??????

julianhj

8,868 posts

291 months

Friday 16th April 2004
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Mine used to get very arsey if neglected for a couple of weeks - I put it down to the alarm draining current, as it was a fancy Clifford model with all the bells and whistles. Happened regardless of whether the battery was recent or not (got through about 5 for various reasons over 2 years!)

Frantic500

8 posts

275 months

Friday 16th April 2004
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Happened to me last week as well.

Normally I can leave it for weeks & there's no problem. Left it for 5 days & the battery was utterly flat. Jumped it & it's been fine since.

I know this doesn't answer your question, but at least it's not just you.

Toffer

1,528 posts

290 months

Friday 16th April 2004
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Float charger required

andy43

13,192 posts

283 months

Friday 16th April 2004
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I had this on mine - killed the freshly charged battery dead after a day or so - traced to failed alternator diodes, causing total current drain. Result - recon alternator and new battery. It might be worth getting yours checked by an autoelectrician, unless it's down to a faulty alarm or something?
Didn't leave the lights on did you

2 sheds

2,529 posts

313 months

Saturday 17th April 2004
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Assuming there are no faults it would take the alarm system months to completely flatten the battery, I've just tried to start my Griff after 4 weeks and guess what yep totally flat and the alarm was not armed, it does this about once a year, i tend to agree with the dodgy alternator theory.
Tim

k77-widow maker

910 posts

288 months

Sunday 18th April 2004
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2 sheds said:
Assuming there are no faults it would take the alarm system months to completely flatten the battery, I've just tried to start my Griff after 4 weeks and guess what yep totally flat and the alarm was not armed, it does this about once a year, i tend to agree with the dodgy alternator theory.
Tim


Mine does that too! I'm on the verge of buying a new alternator, incase that is the problem, however I do now have an optimate on board, which is solving the issue.

Is this getting close to the "they all do that sir" reply??

2 sheds

2,529 posts

313 months

Sunday 18th April 2004
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Well they certainly shouldn't all do that, it drives me nuts , looks like i need to buy another new battery as it was left flat for too long, without a good battery the alarm gets upset.
Battery conditioners etc are a good idea.
Tim

laz11

517 posts

276 months

Sunday 18th April 2004
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Are you using a type 72 battery as this is the best for a griffith?

Edt

5,239 posts

313 months

Sunday 18th April 2004
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I've a battery kill switch fitted.. when I shove the 500 in the garage I pop out the switch & that's that.. hey presto a completely dead car. Last battery lasted 5 year. IMO well worth it

Regards, Ed

k77-widow maker

910 posts

288 months

Sunday 18th April 2004
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Edt said:
I've a battery kill switch fitted.. when I shove the 500 in the garage I pop out the switch & that's that.. hey presto a completely dead car. Last battery lasted 5 year. IMO well worth it

Regards, Ed


That's what I've been doing to, but if you want to go anyway away from home, for any length of time, it's not really practical to do this

H & the Tsunami

3,498 posts

269 months

Sunday 18th April 2004
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Hi guys,
I invested in an Accumate smart charger when i bought my Griff because i'd heard so many dead battery stories, so i simply plug the car in when i tuck her up for the night. seems to work for me.

gortonjl

10 posts

278 months

Monday 19th April 2004
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A sudden discharge to the battery can be caused by the diode pack failing on the alternator.The alternator may still fuction but not as efficently (voltage should remain steady at 13 volts). Try disconnecting the brown wire on the back of the alternator.

griff430

188 posts

306 months

Wednesday 19th May 2004
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My Griffith has started to suffer from the same symptoms. I got it out to clean it last week, and it was working fine when I put it back in the garage. tried to drive it two days later, and the battery was totally dead, even though I'd had the trickle charger connected!! I disconnected the battery and charged it for 24 hours, and although the battery charged in excess of 80% (indicated on the charger), the charger never switched on the 'Fully Charged' indicator.

Anyway, I reconnected the battery and drove the car around on Sunday, when it started straight away each time, but went to drive it last night, and the battery is totally dead again! When I was driving it, the battery meter was displaying no abnormal readings, and the alternator light was not on.

If the diode pack is faulty, could this have damaged the battery, and prevent it from being fully charged? Or could the battery just be duff? The battery is only a year and two months old, and it has a 3 year guarantee, so I'm hoping it's that, but obviously I want to check out the other stuff before connecting a new battery and knackering that!

Is there a way to test the diode pack?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Dan.

donatien

1,113 posts

287 months

Wednesday 19th May 2004
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Edt said:
I've a battery kill switch fitted.. when I shove the 500 in the garage I pop out the switch & that's that.. hey presto a completely dead car. Last battery lasted 5 year. IMO well worth it

Regards, Ed


Ed - doesn't that mean that the ECU resets itself each time you drive off?

Dave

shpub

8,507 posts

301 months

Wednesday 19th May 2004
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If you suspect the alternator, then take it to a alternator specialist and they will bench test it under load. Some faults do not appear until this happens. A new pack inc fitting is around £70 ish.

andy43

13,192 posts

283 months

Wednesday 19th May 2004
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From memory the way it was explained to me is the alternator produces AC current as it generates, the diodes are electrical 'one-way' valves that convert the AC into DC current to charge the battery - on mine, the diodes were faulty, so the battery drains back out into the alternator windings because the one-way diodes don't work or something.
I looked for a pool of electricity under the car, but couldn't spot the leak

>> Edited by andy43 on Wednesday 19th May 10:49

shpub

8,507 posts

301 months

Wednesday 19th May 2004
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Tis not quite as simple as that as there is also voltage regulators in there to ensure the alternator doesn't generate 20+ volts and to support the self starting. The diode pack is a bit of a misnomer as it not just the diodes.

You won't find a pool of electricity as the current will make it flow to a different 'ohm.... Is that an AMPle explanation?

griff430

188 posts

306 months

Wednesday 19th May 2004
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I think I'll be calling Mr Batty to check it over....

Thanks for the advice,

Dan.

cess

46 posts

281 months

Wednesday 19th May 2004
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Ed - doesn't that mean that the ECU resets itself each time you drive off?

Dave

I've also got a battery isolator key fitted, so I switch it off in the garage and battery lasts all winter without charge and starts fine.
If the ECU is re-setting itself there's no evidence - it runs fine
Tony