RANGE ROVER L322
Discussion
Hi all, I am hoping to but a RR L322 sometime soon jan/feb.
I like them in black, dark gray, and light blue, full sat nav, vouge,hse, diesel, or petrol with LPG.
2002/2003, fsh, no more than 120,000 miles, with a budget around £8000/£10000.
I would look private and trade,
What do you guys think.
Thanks Gazza.
I like them in black, dark gray, and light blue, full sat nav, vouge,hse, diesel, or petrol with LPG.
2002/2003, fsh, no more than 120,000 miles, with a budget around £8000/£10000.
I would look private and trade,
What do you guys think.
Thanks Gazza.
grand cherokee said:
not being rude but sort out what you want - hse and vogue are quite different
Actually, they aren't that different. Some HSEs are poverty spec but most are high spec and they can be specced to almost Vogue level. You will probably end up with a Vogue as there are simply more around. However, at the age the OP is looking at, I would rank mileage, condition and history well above whether it's a Vogue or HSE.In practice, the early Satnav is useless so a Vogue will get you nicer seats than the HSE and not much else - and HSE seats are pretty good anyway.
Mechanically, they are identical.
Edited by JW911 on Tuesday 20th December 09:58
JW911 said:
Actually, they aren't that different. Some HSEs are poverty spec but most are high spec and they can be specced to almost Vogue level. You will probably end up with a Vogue as there are simply more around. However, at the age the OP is looking at, I would rank mileage, condition and history well above whether it's a Vogue or HSE.
In practice, the early Satnav is useless so a Vogue will get you nicer seats than the HSE and not much else - and HSE seats are pretty good anyway.
Mechanically, they are identical.
true - far more vogues about but be careful - some folk have re-badged hse's with the vogue badgeIn practice, the early Satnav is useless so a Vogue will get you nicer seats than the HSE and not much else - and HSE seats are pretty good anyway.
Mechanically, they are identical.
Edited by JW911 on Tuesday 20th December 09:58
if you can get someone to use 'microcat' and get the EXACT car build specs for any car you are interested in buying
as far as i know its not too expensive to change the early sat nav to the touch screens of late 2005+ - quite a few units on ebay at times
Edited by grand cherokee on Tuesday 20th December 11:39
grand cherokee said:
as far as i know its not too expensive to change the early sat nav to the touch screens of late 2005+ - quite a few units on ebay at times
It is not possible to change the old nav unit to the touch screen. Most HSE owners tend to opt for aftermarket head units like the ones offered by Powerful UK. The chaps with Vogues tend to stick with OEM as it is far easier.Edited by grand cherokee on Tuesday 20th December 11:39
Hi Gazza,
Good move, the L322 is a fantastic car. Obviously not cheap to run, but can be very rewarding. I think you'll struggle with your budget to get anything other than a 4.4 petrol, diesel tend to sell for more, certainly at this time of year, as do LPG, however you'll probably be able to get a 4.4 and get it converted yourself within budget.
If you go for a TD6, be aware that if it hasn't had a new or rebuilt gearbox it'll probably need one soon. 4.4 gearboxes are less problematic, but need to have the oil changed despite being supposedly sealed for life.
Look out for any suspension issues, or signs of overheating (the 4.4 is prone to this, but it's easy enough to avoid the problem if you know what to look for).
Otherwise they can be prone to electrical gremlins.
I'd go for an HSE, on the basis that I'd prefer a Tom tom to the early satnav (I have a facelift RR and I still prefer to use the Tomtom!). HSE can be much better value too.
Getting a 4.4 and getting it converted yourself may give you more peace of mind with regard to the LPG, and will give much better economy than diesel. You'll struggle to get over 23 mpg from diesel, you'll get maybe 18 from a 4.4, and maybe 25-30 equivalent from the LPG.
On balance, get the right car, and you'll be over the moon. These are the best cars on the road.
Good move, the L322 is a fantastic car. Obviously not cheap to run, but can be very rewarding. I think you'll struggle with your budget to get anything other than a 4.4 petrol, diesel tend to sell for more, certainly at this time of year, as do LPG, however you'll probably be able to get a 4.4 and get it converted yourself within budget.
If you go for a TD6, be aware that if it hasn't had a new or rebuilt gearbox it'll probably need one soon. 4.4 gearboxes are less problematic, but need to have the oil changed despite being supposedly sealed for life.
Look out for any suspension issues, or signs of overheating (the 4.4 is prone to this, but it's easy enough to avoid the problem if you know what to look for).
Otherwise they can be prone to electrical gremlins.
I'd go for an HSE, on the basis that I'd prefer a Tom tom to the early satnav (I have a facelift RR and I still prefer to use the Tomtom!). HSE can be much better value too.
Getting a 4.4 and getting it converted yourself may give you more peace of mind with regard to the LPG, and will give much better economy than diesel. You'll struggle to get over 23 mpg from diesel, you'll get maybe 18 from a 4.4, and maybe 25-30 equivalent from the LPG.
On balance, get the right car, and you'll be over the moon. These are the best cars on the road.
EVOeng said:
It is not possible to change the old nav unit to the touch screen. Most HSE owners tend to opt for aftermarket head units like the ones offered by Powerful UK. The chaps with Vogues tend to stick with OEM as it is far easier.
sorry to disagree - but others say a 'swap' is possible?however, some early hse's have a cassette player based system which is obviously not suitable for a 'swap over' - perhaps this is where the confusion arises?
maybe ask a main dealer or FFRR forum?
Edited by grand cherokee on Wednesday 21st December 11:51
grand cherokee said:
sorry to disagree - but others say a 'swap' is possible?
however, some early hse's have a cassette player based system which is obviously not suitable for a 'swap over' - perhaps this is where the confusion arises?
maybe ask a main dealer or FFRR forum?
Sorry GC, he's totally right. For the 2005 facelift they changed all of the wiring/ electrics, I this to a fibre optics based system, denso DVD based satnav, along with the touch screen. A common upgrade is however to go from the Mk III satnav to Mk IV, this is a simple switch of the nav unit in the boot, and gives much improved functionality. These are the BMW units, and the MKIII was CD based and quite primitive, the MkIV was DVD and better.however, some early hse's have a cassette player based system which is obviously not suitable for a 'swap over' - perhaps this is where the confusion arises?
maybe ask a main dealer or FFRR forum?
Edited by grand cherokee on Wednesday 21st December 11:51
I'd say Tomtom still beats any of the built in systems though, due to things like HD traffic, and google search!
I would suggest a 4.4 vogue, had a couple always great this one may be up for sale again, may be too many miles though at 140k
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic7160.html
Phib
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic7160.html
Phib
phib said:
I would suggest a 4.4 vogue, had a couple always great this one may be up for sale again, may be too many miles though at 140k
http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic7160.html
Phib
Is that you about to sell or the new owner? How does the 4.4 take the miles?http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/topic7160.html
Phib
They take the miles really really well so long as you keep on top of the maintainance get a full propoer service history and don't scrimp on cheap parts / tyres.
Mine runs as good as it did in 2002, no knocks bangs and the body's in good nick too. My petrol gets about 19.3mpg and drives like a dream compared to the td6 which spoils the car imho, might as well buy a defender !!!
Oh and its still mine that I may sell
Phib
Mine runs as good as it did in 2002, no knocks bangs and the body's in good nick too. My petrol gets about 19.3mpg and drives like a dream compared to the td6 which spoils the car imho, might as well buy a defender !!!
Oh and its still mine that I may sell
Phib
Tempted to kick the tyres, there are quite few down to that price mark, a lot with LPG added too, not all with that mileage though. I toyed with the idea of D3's, FFRR, Touaregs, X5's, XC90's and haven't taken the plunge yet! So am open to ideas.
I've no real fears for the lump itself and can live with the consumption at 8k miles pa. I suppose it burns oil at a fair rate like all V8 BM's? It's the other turning bits that would frighten me. I assume its had the diff recall etc. Do they share the same watercooled alternator? v expensive and normally a sub 100k mile item on a BM. What autobox do the early L322's have? is it straight from the BM line up as well or something different, as the BM one may go past 100k but is random from that point forward. As an early one I assume it doesn't have the complex suspension of the later cars?
I've no real fears for the lump itself and can live with the consumption at 8k miles pa. I suppose it burns oil at a fair rate like all V8 BM's? It's the other turning bits that would frighten me. I assume its had the diff recall etc. Do they share the same watercooled alternator? v expensive and normally a sub 100k mile item on a BM. What autobox do the early L322's have? is it straight from the BM line up as well or something different, as the BM one may go past 100k but is random from that point forward. As an early one I assume it doesn't have the complex suspension of the later cars?
They don't really burn any oil, shouldn't do anyway, never had an M62 that did in any of my 8 E38's. Not sure about alternator, suspect it's the same.
Gearbox is the same as on the BMW, 5hp24 I think it is? Mileage not that important, just has to have an oil change and flush after around 100k miles, otherwise, as you say, you're living on borrowed time.
Suspension is the same as on the later cars, unless you're talking very very late models.
I'd say given the sub £2k cost of conversion, and the importance of a conversion having been done well, and being warranted, you'd be better off buying a car which isn't converted and getting it done yourself. Very easy to spend £2k on these!
Gearbox is the same as on the BMW, 5hp24 I think it is? Mileage not that important, just has to have an oil change and flush after around 100k miles, otherwise, as you say, you're living on borrowed time.
Suspension is the same as on the later cars, unless you're talking very very late models.
I'd say given the sub £2k cost of conversion, and the importance of a conversion having been done well, and being warranted, you'd be better off buying a car which isn't converted and getting it done yourself. Very easy to spend £2k on these!
Good to hear, only asked as X5's can and do suffer with oil burning, the L322 has the same M62 engine as the X5 afaik. Not inferring yours does in any way btw, again even if it did I'd consider it fairly A typical.
BMW say its not excessive to use a litre every 1000 miles, for most peeps it is though. The S62 version in the M5 (5.0 version), which I do have direct experience of, all burn it at different rates and need monitoring every 500 miles or so.
BMW say its not excessive to use a litre every 1000 miles, for most peeps it is though. The S62 version in the M5 (5.0 version), which I do have direct experience of, all burn it at different rates and need monitoring every 500 miles or so.
I bought a workmate's 2002 HSE V8 for Mrs Kickstart thinking that she might appreciate it over the winter...hence it's currently in the classifieds.
They are fantastic cars and the petrol one actually drives better than my 2007 RR diesel, the only real difference i have noticed is with wind noise over 60/70 mph and of course slightly higher fuel bills.
They are fantastic cars and the petrol one actually drives better than my 2007 RR diesel, the only real difference i have noticed is with wind noise over 60/70 mph and of course slightly higher fuel bills.
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