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Was considering getting an Evoque as my next company car (Pure 5dr, TD4, manual). Someone told me they are nowhere near as economical as the official figures - I know all cars are worse than the official, but the numbers quoted were pretty dire (low 30's in mixed driving).
I'll be covering c.40k a year, so fuel consumption is important, but I'm also concerned that I'll end up driving the Evoque hard to make up for the relative lack of performance vs my current Mondeo... what sort of numbers are owners getting?
Thx
I'll be covering c.40k a year, so fuel consumption is important, but I'm also concerned that I'll end up driving the Evoque hard to make up for the relative lack of performance vs my current Mondeo... what sort of numbers are owners getting?
Thx
http://babyrr.com/forum/thread-1594.html
There you go, discussion about evoque real world mpg.
I havent got mine yet but it seems a few people are disappointed.
There you go, discussion about evoque real world mpg.
I havent got mine yet but it seems a few people are disappointed.
Chris, why don't you try the eD4 (2wd version) which is coming out about now? Should be slightly better than the TD4.
I had a Freelander TD4 for a few days back in September and managed 40mpg doing a mix of suburban and country roads which I thought was reasonable.
Alternatively, have you considered a new X3? Similar size to the first X5 and drive quite car-like. Had one of these on test in September too and managed ~43mpg on the same drive to and from work.
Didn't do any motorway driving in either car
I had a Freelander TD4 for a few days back in September and managed 40mpg doing a mix of suburban and country roads which I thought was reasonable.
Alternatively, have you considered a new X3? Similar size to the first X5 and drive quite car-like. Had one of these on test in September too and managed ~43mpg on the same drive to and from work.
Didn't do any motorway driving in either car
I thought briefly about the 2wd ed4, but not sure I'd feel right without AWD... 1st time it snows and I'm stuck in a Range Rover... rather seems to defeat the whole point of having a a car of this type. Plus the performance of the ed4 is even weaker than the TD4, which is already about as slow as I'd be prepared to put up with... in fact I'm still not 100% sure I'd be happy with a TD4 and would have needed a good test drive 1st before making a decision.
If the X3 was an option I would take one over an Evoque in a heartbeat - the styling isn't as good, but the X3 is bigger, and has much better performance & consumption. Unfortunately, due to the way my company car program works, the X3 a non-starter as the list price is too high. I could have a very well specced X1 (2.0l D X drive MSport with leather and toys), but the styling is a bit 'strange' and the interior quality is very poor compared to other BMWs.
Looks like it's going to be a basic 520d SE or an A5 Sportback S-Line with a load of extras... both a bit predictable
If the X3 was an option I would take one over an Evoque in a heartbeat - the styling isn't as good, but the X3 is bigger, and has much better performance & consumption. Unfortunately, due to the way my company car program works, the X3 a non-starter as the list price is too high. I could have a very well specced X1 (2.0l D X drive MSport with leather and toys), but the styling is a bit 'strange' and the interior quality is very poor compared to other BMWs.
Looks like it's going to be a basic 520d SE or an A5 Sportback S-Line with a load of extras... both a bit predictable
Might be worth mentioning that modern diesels do tend to 'loosen up' with miles. The girlfriend's Cooper D Cabrio was averaging a worrying 38-40 mpg when it was brand new and being driven gently, but now with nearly 20k on the clock it maintains high forties, early fifties depending on use.
Hi I read this the other day but didnt comment as couldnt remember the figures.
We have a new Evoque, one of the first ones back in October.
Its the bigger diesel engine model 2.2 is it (sorry its my dads)5 door auto 4 wheel drive.
Fuel consumption is not very impressive, have just received confirmation that today running from Calais to Geneva approx 500 miles most on the autoroute at 85mph with cruise then about 50 miles over the mountains.
28MPG says the computer
Sorry but thats rubbish for a modern diesel.
My 170k mile sharon fully loaded with best part of a 1 tonne boat engine and gearbox in the back cruising at 75 - 80 did / does best part of 40MPG
We have a new Evoque, one of the first ones back in October.
Its the bigger diesel engine model 2.2 is it (sorry its my dads)5 door auto 4 wheel drive.
Fuel consumption is not very impressive, have just received confirmation that today running from Calais to Geneva approx 500 miles most on the autoroute at 85mph with cruise then about 50 miles over the mountains.
28MPG says the computer
Sorry but thats rubbish for a modern diesel.
My 170k mile sharon fully loaded with best part of a 1 tonne boat engine and gearbox in the back cruising at 75 - 80 did / does best part of 40MPG
TISPKJ said:
Hi I read this the other day but didnt comment as couldnt remember the figures.
We have a new Evoque, one of the first ones back in October.
Its the bigger diesel engine model 2.2 is it (sorry its my dads)5 door auto 4 wheel drive.
Fuel consumption is not very impressive, have just received confirmation that today running from Calais to Geneva approx 500 miles most on the autoroute at 85mph with cruise then about 50 miles over the mountains.
28MPG says the computer
Sorry but thats rubbish for a modern diesel.
My 170k mile sharon fully loaded with best part of a 1 tonne boat engine and gearbox in the back cruising at 75 - 80 did / does best part of 40MPG
It is indeed... my wife used to get nearly 30mpg out of her '05 BMW X5 3.0d with an auto box, and my brother-in-law had a 1st gen X3, which averaged 27mpg from a 3.0l petrol.We have a new Evoque, one of the first ones back in October.
Its the bigger diesel engine model 2.2 is it (sorry its my dads)5 door auto 4 wheel drive.
Fuel consumption is not very impressive, have just received confirmation that today running from Calais to Geneva approx 500 miles most on the autoroute at 85mph with cruise then about 50 miles over the mountains.
28MPG says the computer
Sorry but thats rubbish for a modern diesel.
My 170k mile sharon fully loaded with best part of a 1 tonne boat engine and gearbox in the back cruising at 75 - 80 did / does best part of 40MPG
Chris, all evoque diesels are a 2.2. Td4 and eD4 are both the same engine and bhp (150bhp I think). The SD4 is a 2.2 but 190bhp but I think is only available as a 4wd auto. In theory the ed4 should be a bit quicker than the td4 as its carrying less weight. Also, don't write off the ability in snow of the 2wd evoque as I think, like the freelander 2 it comes with "off road" tyres (maybe someone can confirm?). Read the online reviews of the 2wd FL2 and it is still rated as immensely capable off road. I think it was a review in Autocar that I read - maybe worth a read?
Have you considered a FL2? Lower list price so you may get a better spec on your car scheme? I was very impressed and would choose it over an X3 (rubbish spec as standard means the lease cost becomes stupidly expensive compared to FL2). Haven't been in an X1 but when I looked they were spec for spec similar price to the X3 and no better on CO2. Couldn't make any case for getting an X1 as a company car!
What about a Kia Sportage, they look smart, haven't sat in one though
Have you considered a FL2? Lower list price so you may get a better spec on your car scheme? I was very impressed and would choose it over an X3 (rubbish spec as standard means the lease cost becomes stupidly expensive compared to FL2). Haven't been in an X1 but when I looked they were spec for spec similar price to the X3 and no better on CO2. Couldn't make any case for getting an X1 as a company car!
What about a Kia Sportage, they look smart, haven't sat in one though
pbarlow0032 said:
Chris, all evoque diesels are a 2.2. Td4 and eD4 are both the same engine and bhp (150bhp I think). The SD4 is a 2.2 but 190bhp but I think is only available as a 4wd auto. In theory the ed4 should be a bit quicker than the td4 as its carrying less weight. Also, don't write off the ability in snow of the 2wd evoque as I think, like the freelander 2 it comes with "off road" tyres (maybe someone can confirm?). Read the online reviews of the 2wd FL2 and it is still rated as immensely capable off road. I think it was a review in Autocar that I read - maybe worth a read?
Have you considered a FL2? Lower list price so you may get a better spec on your car scheme? I was very impressed and would choose it over an X3 (rubbish spec as standard means the lease cost becomes stupidly expensive compared to FL2). Haven't been in an X1 but when I looked they were spec for spec similar price to the X3 and no better on CO2. Couldn't make any case for getting an X1 as a company car!
What about a Kia Sportage, they look smart, haven't sat in one though
Lots of things going through my mind at the moment... but this is normal every time I've had to choose a new car over the past 24 years!!Have you considered a FL2? Lower list price so you may get a better spec on your car scheme? I was very impressed and would choose it over an X3 (rubbish spec as standard means the lease cost becomes stupidly expensive compared to FL2). Haven't been in an X1 but when I looked they were spec for spec similar price to the X3 and no better on CO2. Couldn't make any case for getting an X1 as a company car!
What about a Kia Sportage, they look smart, haven't sat in one though
The FL2 has poor emissions (max allowed on my scheme is 165) and performance/economy would be worse than the Evoque. Plus I've driven one a couple of years back and the handling is too old school SUV for me.
The X1 has great stats (performance/economy/emissions) and is pretty decently priced vs the X3 (it's similar to an Evoque, spec for spec), but the interior quality is dreadful and styling is just plain strange.
Kia aren't on our list... only allowed FMC, VW/Audi group, BMW, Landrover, Volvo, Renault, Citroen... plus a couple of hybrids.
Quite like the look of the Citroen DS5, but I'll need to wait until mid Feb for the demos to be delivered.
I still haven't discounted the Evoque, but will need to do some maths on the cost to me over what my company will be able to reimberse me for on a pence per mile basis... It may be I like the car so much that I'm prepared to eat a bit of fuel cost if it isn't too bad. I really like the car, but given I'll be doing a minimum 700 miles a week I don't want to get burnt.
Yes, I did have a look at both the Tiguan and the Q3... not really keen on either, though the Q3 has a fine interior.
I just passed a DS5 on the M4 (strange, as the dealer told me they wouldn't be in the country until Mid Feb)... great looking car. That's definitely an option if it drives decently.
I just passed a DS5 on the M4 (strange, as the dealer told me they wouldn't be in the country until Mid Feb)... great looking car. That's definitely an option if it drives decently.
I've just discovered something that may make the Evoque a serious option again.
I checked the company car mileage rates and it seems I get 18.3pp mile for >2000cc diesel, meaning I'd only need to average c.35mpg to cover my business mileage. Sould have realised really as my current car is a 2.2, but I never paid attention as the calcuation is automatic on our expenses system.
Happy again
I checked the company car mileage rates and it seems I get 18.3pp mile for >2000cc diesel, meaning I'd only need to average c.35mpg to cover my business mileage. Sould have realised really as my current car is a 2.2, but I never paid attention as the calcuation is automatic on our expenses system.
Happy again
Chris Stott said:
I've just discovered something that may make the Evoque a serious option again.
I checked the company car mileage rates and it seems I get 18.3pp mile for >2000cc diesel, meaning I'd only need to average c.35mpg to cover my business mileage. Sould have realised really as my current car is a 2.2, but I never paid attention as the calcuation is automatic on our expenses system.
Happy again
Its still fairly close - you will have to sit at a constant 70 to just break even. Are you sure you wont get the temptation to do 80-90 and work starts costing you money? I checked the company car mileage rates and it seems I get 18.3pp mile for >2000cc diesel, meaning I'd only need to average c.35mpg to cover my business mileage. Sould have realised really as my current car is a 2.2, but I never paid attention as the calcuation is automatic on our expenses system.
Happy again
my SD4 auto started off at doing 26mpg, but 2000 miles later and 29mpg+ is on the cards. This has been worked out and not just what the dash says.
Just to add my style of journeys are kicking about, and living in a rather hilly area doesn`t help.
Just to add:-
My 2007 520d man. touring did 35.5mpg on average, that was meant to do 47mpg on combined cycle
My 2009 disco4 3.0 did 22.5mpg, meant to do 30mpg on combined cycle
Just to add my style of journeys are kicking about, and living in a rather hilly area doesn`t help.
Just to add:-
My 2007 520d man. touring did 35.5mpg on average, that was meant to do 47mpg on combined cycle
My 2009 disco4 3.0 did 22.5mpg, meant to do 30mpg on combined cycle
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