RR L322 or RR Sport? Running costs, etc?
Discussion
OK, I've been toying with the idea of swapping my RRC and my BMW 330Ci for just the one car in the form of a Range Rover Sport.
I went and test drove one at the local Land Rover dealer the other day and overall I liked it very much. Was a TDV6 HSE so had all the toys (leather, heated front + rear seats, sat nav, etc) and the engine/gearbox were very smooth. Not quite as quick as I expected, but not exactly slow - similar to my V8 RRC, I guess.
However, the trip said an average MPG of 22.5mpg...is that about right? The dealer said it was due to the short test drives, but assuming they didn't reset it when the car came in, would that be a fair indication? As I get 28mpg from my 3.0 BMW and don't exactly drive it like miss daisy all the time!
The only other thing I didn't like was the lightness of the steering. It had the stock 20" wheels on it but tipping into fast sweeping bends it didn't give anywhere near as much feel as the BMW, which I was surpised at for an RR Sport! Which made me think, if the Sport does not feel that sporty, would a normal RR L322 be a better bet?
The dealer said the 3.0 diesel L322 is slower than the 2.7 TDV6 Sport and less economical - is that correct?
Any owner advice would be great - cheers.
I went and test drove one at the local Land Rover dealer the other day and overall I liked it very much. Was a TDV6 HSE so had all the toys (leather, heated front + rear seats, sat nav, etc) and the engine/gearbox were very smooth. Not quite as quick as I expected, but not exactly slow - similar to my V8 RRC, I guess.
However, the trip said an average MPG of 22.5mpg...is that about right? The dealer said it was due to the short test drives, but assuming they didn't reset it when the car came in, would that be a fair indication? As I get 28mpg from my 3.0 BMW and don't exactly drive it like miss daisy all the time!
The only other thing I didn't like was the lightness of the steering. It had the stock 20" wheels on it but tipping into fast sweeping bends it didn't give anywhere near as much feel as the BMW, which I was surpised at for an RR Sport! Which made me think, if the Sport does not feel that sporty, would a normal RR L322 be a better bet?
The dealer said the 3.0 diesel L322 is slower than the 2.7 TDV6 Sport and less economical - is that correct?
Any owner advice would be great - cheers.
A diesel log-burning 4x4 housebrick is never going to be economical. There's barely a couple of MPG difference between the diesels and the V8 petrols, which given diesel is so much more expensive than petrol makes a complete joke of the "economy".
Sporty they are, but everything is relative - FFRR is far more comfort-orientated, but is still fun to punt along. They're never going to be saloon or even Porsche Cayenne "sporty".
Sporty they are, but everything is relative - FFRR is far more comfort-orientated, but is still fun to punt along. They're never going to be saloon or even Porsche Cayenne "sporty".
Don't see why the RR Sport should not be Cayenne-sporty no road, really - surely that was the whole idea of it?
I do need something capable in a range of scenario's - for use filming vehicles from the boot with the upper tailgate open (we run a film production company) to light greenlaning. We're also going to Morocco this year overland, so it would need to do that as well, although I know a couple of RR Sports and several Disco 3/4's have been to similar areas without issue.
I guess really it comes down to L322 or RR Sport - for £15-£20k, which is the better car?
I do need something capable in a range of scenario's - for use filming vehicles from the boot with the upper tailgate open (we run a film production company) to light greenlaning. We're also going to Morocco this year overland, so it would need to do that as well, although I know a couple of RR Sports and several Disco 3/4's have been to similar areas without issue.
I guess really it comes down to L322 or RR Sport - for £15-£20k, which is the better car?
Mike_C said:
However, the trip said an average MPG of 22.5mpg...is that about right? The dealer said it was due to the short test drives, but assuming they didn't reset it when the car came in, would that be a fair indication? As I get 28mpg from my 3.0 BMW and don't exactly drive it like miss daisy all the time!
Any owner advice would be great - cheers.
Consumption is very heavily dependent on use but 22.5mpg seems very low. When I used to commute into London in rush hour I'd reckon on getting about 25-26. A more local 10 mile commute would see me get about 24. Long motorway runs 30-32. Normal day to day use I reckon yields 25-28 Any owner advice would be great - cheers.
Mike_C said:
Don't see why the RR Sport should not be Cayenne-sporty no road, really - surely that was the whole idea of it?
I do need something capable in a range of scenario's - for use filming vehicles from the boot with the upper tailgate open (we run a film production company) to light greenlaning. We're also going to Morocco this year overland, so it would need to do that as well, although I know a couple of RR Sports and several Disco 3/4's have been to similar areas without issue.
I guess really it comes down to L322 or RR Sport - for £15-£20k, which is the better car?
No reason why they *shouldn't* be that sporty Mike, other than LR choose not to make them as overtly sporting as a BMW or Porker etc. Just as case of everything being relative - they're more sporty than the normal Landies!I do need something capable in a range of scenario's - for use filming vehicles from the boot with the upper tailgate open (we run a film production company) to light greenlaning. We're also going to Morocco this year overland, so it would need to do that as well, although I know a couple of RR Sports and several Disco 3/4's have been to similar areas without issue.
I guess really it comes down to L322 or RR Sport - for £15-£20k, which is the better car?
For filming, there's a reason the BBC obsess over the FFRRs... bigger wider boot, more stable platform too, and higher roofline so it's more comfy for those hanging out the back too!
RedLeicester said:
No reason why they *shouldn't* be that sporty Mike, other than LR choose not to make them as overtly sporting as a BMW or Porker etc. Just as case of everything being relative - they're more sporty than the normal Landies!
For filming, there's a reason the BBC obsess over the FFRRs... bigger wider boot, more stable platform too, and higher roofline so it's more comfy for those hanging out the back too!
1+For filming, there's a reason the BBC obsess over the FFRRs... bigger wider boot, more stable platform too, and higher roofline so it's more comfy for those hanging out the back too!
RedLeicester said:
No reason why they *shouldn't* be that sporty Mike, other than LR choose not to make them as overtly sporting as a BMW or Porker etc. Just as case of everything being relative - they're more sporty than the normal Landies!
For filming, there's a reason the BBC obsess over the FFRRs... bigger wider boot, more stable platform too, and higher roofline so it's more comfy for those hanging out the back too!
True, that and the supercharged engine! We did use a Supercharged Vogue SE for filming 'Viva Valencia' recently and that was good, pretty comfortable (so I'm told!).For filming, there's a reason the BBC obsess over the FFRRs... bigger wider boot, more stable platform too, and higher roofline so it's more comfy for those hanging out the back too!
In fairness, my brother is looking at a Discovery 3 for most of the film work stuff we would need (even bigger/higher boot!) but it would be good to have the use of my car if required too.
Mike_C said:
True, that and the supercharged engine! We did use a Supercharged Vogue SE for filming 'Viva Valencia' recently and that was good, pretty comfortable (so I'm told!).
In fairness, my brother is looking at a Discovery 3 for most of the film work stuff we would need (even bigger/higher boot!) but it would be good to have the use of my car if required too.
How many miles you going to do Mike?In fairness, my brother is looking at a Discovery 3 for most of the film work stuff we would need (even bigger/higher boot!) but it would be good to have the use of my car if required too.
Mike_C said:
True, that and the supercharged engine! We did use a Supercharged Vogue SE for filming 'Viva Valencia' recently and that was good, pretty comfortable (so I'm told!).
In fairness, my brother is looking at a Discovery 3 for most of the film work stuff we would need (even bigger/higher boot!) but it would be good to have the use of my car if required too.
Aye they do tend to use S/Cs. We went from an FFRR to a D3, and frankly the FFRR was the better car by far - more stable, wider boot, better tailgate. Nuffing like a lambswool lining to recline on when doing long tracking shots In fairness, my brother is looking at a Discovery 3 for most of the film work stuff we would need (even bigger/higher boot!) but it would be good to have the use of my car if required too.
AMDBSNick said:
How many miles you going to do Mike?
Around 12k-15k a year I reckon. Will be used for:- daily driving / commuting, mostly be either town/country lanes or fast A-roads and motorway
- camera/film work
- light greenlaning
- outdoor activities (not dogging - mostly mountain biking, campling, etc)
- shooting (game rather than gang members, so A/T tyres are more important than 22" 'rims')
- skiing trips to the Alps
- the odd (annual/bi-annual) overland/expedition trip to Morocco or similar
So fuel economy is quite important on the longer trips I will be doing. Also, because of the ban on LPG on the Eurotunnel I would prefer a good diesel over an LPG petrol unit.
Right here goes. I have had my 4.2SC since Jan 06. From what I can see most of your trips will be pretty long ones and you WILL get 20mpg. On your suggested annual mileage this will not break the bank by having petrol not diesel. The car even at 75k miles is still a dream to drive. I have used it in exactly the same way as you intend other than filming. Quite simply my business partners "sport" is not a patch on the FFRR quality wise IMHO. In addistion there is acres more space for guns, dogs, ski kit etc. There is a chance I will have to change mine soon for a Disco 4 as I need to get 3 child seats in the rear all things being well. I will be gutted to see her go. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against the "sport" it just is not a FFRR. Oh and a routine service at a main dealer under £300
Edited by AMDBSNick on Monday 20th February 16:00
RedLeicester said:
Aye they do tend to use S/Cs. We went from an FFRR to a D3, and frankly the FFRR was the better car by far - more stable, wider boot, better tailgate. Nuffing like a lambswool lining to recline on when doing long tracking shots
Why did you 'downgrade' then? Tailgate on the D3 looked good I thought - basically a shaped RR one?RedLeicester said:
You need a 2-door RRC for dogging. In beige.
I've got a green '94 RRC if that would work?AMDBSNick said:
Right here goes. I have had my 4.2SC since Jan 06. From what I can see most of your trips will be pretty long ones and you WILL get 20mpg. On your suggested annual mileage this will not break the bank by having petrol not diesel. The car even at 75k miles is still a dream to drive. I have used it in exactly the same way as you intend other than filming. Quite simply my business partners "sport" is not a patch on the FFRR quality wise IMHO. In addistion there is acres more space for guns, dogs, ski kit etc. There is a chance I will have to change mine soon for a Disco 4 as I need to get 3 child seats in the rear all things being well. I will be gutted to see her go. Don't get me wrong I have nothing against the "sport" it just is not a FFRR. Oh and a routine service at a main dealer under £300
20mpg is not brilliant - I get 28mpg driving my 330Ci pretty much how I want! I think an avergae 25mpg with 30mpg on a run is what I would require to not get pissed off with the running costs after 12 months!Edited by AMDBSNick on Monday 20th February 16:00
Mike_C said:
RedLeicester said:
Aye they do tend to use S/Cs. We went from an FFRR to a D3, and frankly the FFRR was the better car by far - more stable, wider boot, better tailgate. Nuffing like a lambswool lining to recline on when doing long tracking shots
Why did you 'downgrade' then? Tailgate on the D3 looked good I thought - basically a shaped RR one?Mike_C said:
Haha, fair enough! The D3 does look good with a winch on the front, a roof tent up top, a spare wheel carrier on the back and a set of A/T tyres y'know... 
Ah you see this is the cunning bit. She selected the car and the colour.I selected the engine and the spec.
Oh, and we live in the sticks, so A/Ts and a liberal coating of s
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