Can anyone beat this!?

[benjj]

54 plate Range Rover Td6 Vogue, bought with 79k miles, FDSH etc for £18,400 + £900 for 2 year aftermarket warranty.

All prices supplied and fitted + VAT by my superb local LR indy, some covered by aftermarket warranty, some not.

Costs from memory but more or less bang on.

New steering column - £650
2 new wingmirrors - £825
2 new front gas struts - £800
Recon gearbox - £1800
New transferbox - £500
New boot seal - £85
4 new tyres - £750
Replacement SatNav system - £379
New front calipers - £500
Replacement driver's door lock - £220
Turbo (it blew) - £1300
New engine (yes, really) - c.£4500

Plus fuel
Plus insurance
Plus tax
Plus servicing

Plus side: when I get the car back it will be almost completely new.

Minus side: I used to be what I would consider a LR guy. I learned on a Series 1 and had a S2 lightweight after that. Now I will never, ever buy another LR product as long as I live.

Jesus wept.

[anonymous-user]

I don't get your post at all.
Are you buying this nightmare, or trying to fight LR over the warranty or just get shot or what?

[benjj]

None of the above. It is my car, I've owned it for 2 years, this is illustrative of the bills that can loom.

[Ali2202]

Having recently bought an MY08 Disco 3, I'm sat here stting myself...

[benjj]

To put it in perspective that is £13,000 in broken parts in 24 months. £550 per month. Per month, just in fixing things.

I've managed about 24mpg over 20k miles too, insurance at about £700 per year, servicing of around £400 a year. That adds up to a total of £5000 in fuel, £1400 insurance, around £1000 of servicing.

THAT gives a monthly cost of £858 per month in costs.

Now I didn't buy a Range Rover expecting it to be cheap but that, in my rather extensive experience of owning and running cars is a complete piss take.

[anonymous-user]

Without knowing the car it's hard to say but.....a lot of those are symptomatic of a heavy right foot and no mechanical sympathy whatsoever.

[j80jpw]

Ali2202 said:

Having recently bought an MY08 Disco 3, I'm sat here stting myself...

Dont Sweat, ive had my 08 Disco 18 months, done 20k in that time now totalling 60k, no issues except a knocking which was the hydro bushes, replaced under the extended warranty... they are a heavy lump so expect wear and tare and a few heavy bills.

We could all go and buy a new Kia 4x4 jobbie with a 7 year warranty for the same money but would it feel as good as driving something from the landrover stable, I think not...

[benjj]

Well, without being too contrary I've had the RR back for two hours after using a combination of the 30 year old 944, 40 year old Citroen DS and 10 year old Golf for 9 weeks. God almighty the Rangie feels good

As for comment above about mechanical (un)sympathy - I think that is pushing it. A 13k parts bill on an(y) 8 year old car with full dealer SH is crap.

[cpas]

If you're brave, try to work out the amount you've lost on it added to the amount of bills, then the total mileage you've done in that time, and calculate the total cost per mile

[anonymous-user]

benjj said:

As for comment above about mechanical (un)sympathy - I think that is pushing it. A 13k parts bill on an(y) 8 year old car with full dealer SH is crap.

It isn't any 8 year old car though is it? It is THE premium luxury 4x4, which weighs in at 2.5 tonnes, can climb mountains, pull 3500kgs without blinking yet still look at home outside the Savoy.
If you want a Mondeo-budget motor go and buy a.......Mondeo?

[benjj]

Crossflow Kid said:

It isn't any 8 year old car though is it? It is THE premium luxury 4x4, which weighs in at 2.5 tonnes, can climb mountains, pull 3500kgs without blinking yet still look at home outside the Savoy.
If you want a Mondeo-budget motor go and buy a.......Mondeo?

If you consider 13k in replacement parts in 24 months on an 8 year old car as par for the course then you're a much more reasonable man than I am.

I can see we're not going to agree here, probably best to leave it there huh.

[vjj]

Benj

I sympathise - this is the reason I don't have old cars as a daily driver.

Generally they are built to last about 6 years and after that you need to understand that after that they are more likely than not to fail. I have a 28 year-old Defender and an Overfinch Discovery from 1995 and I keep them in the knowledge that they require a lot of TLC and preventatitive maintenance. However because of their relative simplicity this is quite straightforward.

The Mark 3 RR however is a hugely complicated vehicle and it is therefore bound to be expensive to run an older example - look at the reputation the P38 has - a dog's breakfast - the L322 will soon be there as well.

Expecting them to run like a Toyota Yaris is unreasonable.

My own RR experience is that even a 2 year-old example, a 2009 TDV8 with only 35000 miles, can be a whole heap of trouble - I got out of it when I realised that I couldn't depend on it - it left me stranded several times.

I do not have a grudge against LR products per se - I own two older examples - but the quality of them is poor and always has been.

Edited by vjj on Saturday 1st September 09:36

[grand cherokee]

this post hits the 'topic' on the head?

earlier L322's are now becoming affordable for less than the price of an average family compact

so a new generation of owners who expect to run them at the cost of a Fiesta etc?

they may have paid sub £15K for a car that cost £80K a few years ago

BUT

when it comes to maintenance/repairs its still an £80K car!!

from your list of 'repairs' could you tell us what was paid for under warranty please?

Edited by grand cherokee on Saturday 1st September 11:30

[Du1point8]

grand cherokee said:

this post hits the 'topic' on the head?

earlier L322's are now becoming affordable for less than the price of an average family compact

so a new generation of owners who expect to run them at the cost of a Fiesta etc?

they may have paid sub £15K for a car that cost £80K a few years ago

BUT

when it comes to maintenance/repairs its still an £80K car!!

from your list of 'repairs' could you tell us what was paid for under warranty please?

Edited by grand cherokee on Saturday 1st September 11:30

^^^ this.

I see people whining about buying a porker 996 for £10-13k and then not grasping the point, that to keep it maintained it must be treat like the £60-80k car it once was, not like your small euro st box that was £10-13k brand new.

[cptsideways]

And people still keep buying them


My Landcruiser in 3 years of ownership has had a front hub seal kit £30 of parts & a set of big end ACL bearings fitted in a morning with £60 of parts, all precautionary work I hasten to add. Thats about the the total exluding service parts in 30k miles of ownership, all of it towing & its 23 years old with 160k on the clock. It's did let me down when it wouldn't start last week for the first time, I'd left the battery terminal loose by mistake

Its possibly the cheapest car I have ever ran as its worth more than I paid for it!!

[grand cherokee]

cptsideways said:

And people still keep buying them


My Landcruiser in 3 years of ownership has had a front hub seal kit £30 of parts & a set of big end ACL bearings fitted in a morning with £60 of parts, all precautionary work I hasten to add. Thats about the the total exluding service parts in 30k miles of ownership, all of it towing & its 23 years old with 160k on the clock. It's did let me down when it wouldn't start last week for the first time, I'd left the battery terminal loose by mistake

Its possibly the cheapest car I have ever ran as its worth more than I paid for it!!

no offence - but its a Land cruiser

friend imported one from Aus (brand new) with long range tanks etc etc

i drove it and its excellent offroad but its still no Range Rover!

[Trommel]

Spending £825 on wing mirrors for a ~£10k car?

From memory I paid about £90 on eBay for a full mirror minus glass, as-new, to replace a smashed one.

[anonymous-user]

grand cherokee said:

this post hits the 'topic' on the head?

earlier L322's are now becoming affordable for less than the price of an average family compact

so a new generation of owners who expect to run them at the cost of a Fiesta etc?

they may have paid sub £15K for a car that cost £80K a few years ago

BUT

when it comes to maintenance/repairs its still an £80K car!!

Spot on. People buy old smokers for a fraction of the original cost and then crap themselves when they need a repair. It's an 80 grand car. Buy a smilar vintage S Class and it's the same.

[jagracer]

grand cherokee said:

cptsideways said:

And people still keep buying them


My Landcruiser in 3 years of ownership has had a front hub seal kit £30 of parts & a set of big end ACL bearings fitted in a morning with £60 of parts, all precautionary work I hasten to add. Thats about the the total exluding service parts in 30k miles of ownership, all of it towing & its 23 years old with 160k on the clock. It's did let me down when it wouldn't start last week for the first time, I'd left the battery terminal loose by mistake

Its possibly the cheapest car I have ever ran as its worth more than I paid for it!!

no offence - but its a Land cruiser

friend imported one from Aus (brand new) with long range tanks etc etc

i drove it and its excellent offroad but its still no Range Rover!

I've had my Landcruiser 4 years and so far fitted 2 anti roll bar bushes at £5 and rear discs and pads at £100 plus normal service items at regular intervals. New cambelt and tensioner was £50 and 20 minutes to change and It's just as comfortable as any RR and probably worth the same now as when I bought it.

[grand cherokee]

Trommel said:

Spending £825 on wing mirrors for a ~£10k car?

From memory I paid about £90 on eBay for a full mirror minus glass, as-new, to replace a smashed one.

exactly - btw looking replacement drivers side photochromaic mirror glass - and suggestions appreciated?