Dilemma ; Q7,Freelander hse, RRS 2.7HSE or TDV8 FF
Discussion
Right guys, would value your opinions.
Need to change my other halfs car soon, don`t know what to do, Choices as follows;
2007 Audi Q7 s-line [bloody massive car!]
2007-8 Freelander HSE auto [worried it`s a bit small, not a proper 4x4]
2006-7 RR sport TDV6
2006-8 TDV8 range rover vogue
We live in SW France, as such, the dealer network is not great, no real specialist indies either.
Budget is about 20-22k, i will definately buy in the UK and import.... much better deal
Have to pay about 750euro CO2 tax, and get homologation certificate [150 euro]
did think about touareg 3.0 altittude, but mrs thinks they are hideous!
So that`s it, cannot think of any other choices that would suit us, 2 x big dogs, and airport runs for friends and family.
we have had 4 Range Rovers over the years, and although they can be an absolute nightmare to own, there is nothing to compare with them...especially when they are running well.
Have noticed since you had a bit of snow, prices seem to have gone up 3-4k!
Anyway looking forward to your thoughts.
Steve
Need to change my other halfs car soon, don`t know what to do, Choices as follows;
2007 Audi Q7 s-line [bloody massive car!]
2007-8 Freelander HSE auto [worried it`s a bit small, not a proper 4x4]
2006-7 RR sport TDV6
2006-8 TDV8 range rover vogue
We live in SW France, as such, the dealer network is not great, no real specialist indies either.
Budget is about 20-22k, i will definately buy in the UK and import.... much better deal
Have to pay about 750euro CO2 tax, and get homologation certificate [150 euro]
did think about touareg 3.0 altittude, but mrs thinks they are hideous!
So that`s it, cannot think of any other choices that would suit us, 2 x big dogs, and airport runs for friends and family.
we have had 4 Range Rovers over the years, and although they can be an absolute nightmare to own, there is nothing to compare with them...especially when they are running well.
Have noticed since you had a bit of snow, prices seem to have gone up 3-4k!
Anyway looking forward to your thoughts.
Steve
If it weren't for the 2x dogs, I'd suggest the Freelander. Mind you, if it's just as a runaround and you're willing to put the rear seats down, it'd be fine.
...and if you're saying it's not a 'proper 4x4', I'm guessing you've never driven one in anger.
Otherwise, I'd go for the TDV8.
M
...and if you're saying it's not a 'proper 4x4', I'm guessing you've never driven one in anger.
Otherwise, I'd go for the TDV8.
M
Parking my chums Q7 next to my Sport has never once ever made me think 'I wish I had that instead!' Mind you, as a load lugger with dogs, the Q7 is the best of the bunch but for me, that would be the ONLY advantage!
I've just hunted down an 03 FFRR TD6 with LHD for a chum in France, £10k with a new gearbox and 110,000 miles. Immaculate car and top value I think, that's got to be the second choice for space.
My RRS hasn't got the room for lugging stuff in comfort, Disco 3 would be a better option.
Freelander is the baby option.
My sister, also French resident honks around in a last of the line TD5 Disco, that does everything...dogs, kids, haybales etc etc and doesn't fox the local mechanic.
Just my humble opinion!
I've just hunted down an 03 FFRR TD6 with LHD for a chum in France, £10k with a new gearbox and 110,000 miles. Immaculate car and top value I think, that's got to be the second choice for space.
My RRS hasn't got the room for lugging stuff in comfort, Disco 3 would be a better option.
Freelander is the baby option.
My sister, also French resident honks around in a last of the line TD5 Disco, that does everything...dogs, kids, haybales etc etc and doesn't fox the local mechanic.
Just my humble opinion!
Q7s are massive, but they're bloody good to drive and hide their weighty bulk well. Lovely road cars and the diesels are wonderful.
Freelander, Great cars but not really in the same league, never had a problem with ours though and I'd have another if the newer interior and tech stuff doesn't feel prehistoric like the older FL2s. Bit crashy over bumpy roads.
RRS aren't bad at all but I always found them a bit of a reverse tardis, way smaller and more cramped inside than they should be. Drive nicely though, but not Q7 nicely.
Freelander, Great cars but not really in the same league, never had a problem with ours though and I'd have another if the newer interior and tech stuff doesn't feel prehistoric like the older FL2s. Bit crashy over bumpy roads.
RRS aren't bad at all but I always found them a bit of a reverse tardis, way smaller and more cramped inside than they should be. Drive nicely though, but not Q7 nicely.
Never really liked the disco, as mentioned we`ve had 4 range rovers in the past[2x p38dhse and 2 x 4.4 vogues]
had problems with all of them, but they are so nice to drive and practicle.
wife really likes the look of the sport,and they seem to be fairly reliable. My friend in the UK has a Q7, and that is a lovely car to drive, but a huge lump to park, also not very good in the snow[which we get a good dose of ever year.]
If i was sensible, i would go for the Freelander, good on diesel, cheaper insurance,and very good user reviews.
The dilemma is, that whatever we end up buying, we will be stuck with it for at least 5-6 years. I just do not want to drop a clanger, and end up with a car niether of us enjoys driving, or a money pit....been there,done that, got the T-shirt.
had problems with all of them, but they are so nice to drive and practicle.
wife really likes the look of the sport,and they seem to be fairly reliable. My friend in the UK has a Q7, and that is a lovely car to drive, but a huge lump to park, also not very good in the snow[which we get a good dose of ever year.]
If i was sensible, i would go for the Freelander, good on diesel, cheaper insurance,and very good user reviews.
The dilemma is, that whatever we end up buying, we will be stuck with it for at least 5-6 years. I just do not want to drop a clanger, and end up with a car niether of us enjoys driving, or a money pit....been there,done that, got the T-shirt.
Easy!
Q7 - why?!!
2.7 RRS is a dawg of an engine & believe it or not, not as much usuable space inside as a FL (owned both)
FL2 HSE is a great car, plenty of space & very reliable which is a good thing of you are on the boonies.
FFRR, great car, but you are questioning owning another one.
So FL2 is the way forward, get the auto & the HSE, you may be able to get a SD4 190BHP for that budget.
Q7 - why?!!
2.7 RRS is a dawg of an engine & believe it or not, not as much usuable space inside as a FL (owned both)
FL2 HSE is a great car, plenty of space & very reliable which is a good thing of you are on the boonies.
FFRR, great car, but you are questioning owning another one.
So FL2 is the way forward, get the auto & the HSE, you may be able to get a SD4 190BHP for that budget.
Triple7 said:
Easy!
Q7 - why?!!
2.7 RRS is a dawg of an engine & believe it or not, not as much usuable space inside as a FL (owned both)
FL2 HSE is a great car, plenty of space & very reliable which is a good thing of you are on the boonies.
FFRR, great car, but you are questioning owning another one.
So FL2 is the way forward, get the auto & the HSE, you may be able to get a SD4 190BHP for that budget.
As you've had both, I have a FL2 HSE Auto and am slowly bonding to it. The only minus points (bar LR servicing intervals and costs!) to me is size of boot, not small but not as big as I'd hoped in practice and the economy of 30mpg (not alot for a 4 pot diesel tbh). Q7 - why?!!
2.7 RRS is a dawg of an engine & believe it or not, not as much usuable space inside as a FL (owned both)
FL2 HSE is a great car, plenty of space & very reliable which is a good thing of you are on the boonies.
FFRR, great car, but you are questioning owning another one.
So FL2 is the way forward, get the auto & the HSE, you may be able to get a SD4 190BHP for that budget.
I'm cosidered 'upgrading' to a RRS TDV8 but do not know if the boot is that much bigger. Although the interior quality is another step up, is the boot really similar. If so then FFRR TDV8 may be better?
On my D3, to switch the beams over, you turn a screw at the back of the headlight.
I would imagine the rest of the LR range to be the same.
I would go for a FL2, HSE with an auto box. Lovely car and smaller than the others. Can fold the seats down for better space.
Otherwise, get a L322 again. You can get a TDV8 Vogue SE for that price. However, the freeby has less bork potential over the 5-6 years you will own it.
I would imagine the rest of the LR range to be the same.
I would go for a FL2, HSE with an auto box. Lovely car and smaller than the others. Can fold the seats down for better space.
Otherwise, get a L322 again. You can get a TDV8 Vogue SE for that price. However, the freeby has less bork potential over the 5-6 years you will own it.
HarryW said:
As you've had both, I have a FL2 HSE Auto and am slowly bonding to it. The only minus points (bar LR servicing intervals and costs!) to me is size of boot, not small but not as big as I'd hoped in practice and the economy of 30mpg (not alot for a 4 pot diesel tbh).
I'm cosidered 'upgrading' to a RRS TDV8 but do not know if the boot is that much bigger. Although the interior quality is another step up, is the boot really similar. If so then FFRR TDV8 may be better?
The fron/rear seat leg room is less in a RRS than the FL2, the boot while deeper, has that sloping rear window so cuts into a lot of the perceived extra space.. If you want space, buy a Disco, they are huge!I'm cosidered 'upgrading' to a RRS TDV8 but do not know if the boot is that much bigger. Although the interior quality is another step up, is the boot really similar. If so then FFRR TDV8 may be better?
If you are looking at a RRS only one to go for is the 2010MY facelfited car. Far better interior, the 3.0TDV6 is just as capable as the outrun TDV8.
Agree FL2 mpg is woeful, you can get the same out of the Disco3 & the RRS which are much heavier! It's the FL2 auto that sucks the fuel, but tbh I wouldn't have a FL2 without the auto, makes the car IMHO.
The HIDS just have a shutter you flock across for driving on the continent.
SFM said:
The dilemma is, that whatever we end up buying, we will be stuck with it for at least 5-6 years. I just do not want to drop a clanger, and end up with a car niether of us enjoys driving, or a money pit....been there,done that, got the T-shirt.
Buy with your heart then, every option has scope to go wrong! A 'dawg' it might be as an engine, but my wife doesn't care that we have a 2.7. She loves the car, the way it belts around without fuss in any weather and as far as she's concerned, complete safety. Just done an 1800 mile round trip in it four up with all the ski kit to the Alps, didn't miss a beat and a nice place to be (with a roof box mind!). It's been shopping today and tomorrow it'll pull my rally car to Devon. We'd have another one without hesitation. Does the lot.There is a thread on freel2 forum where someone had the same issue you have. Will later provide a link, this phone doesn't do links.
Exec summary from memory. Guy wanted to buy FL2 with xenons, asked the salesman if they were easily convertible as he wanted to use it in France, salesman said yes so he bought. Dealer ended up providing a second set of lights at his cost. Also remember some waffling about LHD looms being different.
This isn't LR but one vehicle I had reverted to RHD setting every time you started the engine which on anything other than a short trip was a PITA to be frank.
Exec summary from memory. Guy wanted to buy FL2 with xenons, asked the salesman if they were easily convertible as he wanted to use it in France, salesman said yes so he bought. Dealer ended up providing a second set of lights at his cost. Also remember some waffling about LHD looms being different.
This isn't LR but one vehicle I had reverted to RHD setting every time you started the engine which on anything other than a short trip was a PITA to be frank.
As always one can never find a thread when one so desires.
However I've been out, grovelled around and looked and read the manual on mine.
FL2 Td4 Auto HSE MY2010 pre dpf if that helps.
Both types of headlights, remove the units from the vehicle, disconnect, find lever, adjust to alternative setting. Replace light units.
10-15 minutes tops.
The case where I had them resetting themselves was on a vehicle with the adjustment done through the computer, and with daylight running lights that were the dip beam, so not relevant to vehicles you are looking at I think.
Seems as if the vehicle referred to in the other thread may have been US spec?
However I've been out, grovelled around and looked and read the manual on mine.
FL2 Td4 Auto HSE MY2010 pre dpf if that helps.
Both types of headlights, remove the units from the vehicle, disconnect, find lever, adjust to alternative setting. Replace light units.
10-15 minutes tops.
The case where I had them resetting themselves was on a vehicle with the adjustment done through the computer, and with daylight running lights that were the dip beam, so not relevant to vehicles you are looking at I think.
Seems as if the vehicle referred to in the other thread may have been US spec?
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