Defender driveline CLUNK
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I have a 2008 Puma Defender and have noticed a distinct CLUNK when lifting the clutch, especially at low speed going from first to second.
I have googled it and found a number of similar stories, with numerous suggestions ranging from 'they all do that' to 'your gearbox is f
ked'.
I am loathe to take it to the local LR dealer as all they will hear is ka-ching!
I am putting the symptoms here in the hope that someone knowlegable will recognise the problem..:
1) Clunk as described above,
2) When out of gear and handbrake off, the driveshaft can be rotated by hand with no effort about 30 degrees i.e. between 12 o'clock and 1 o'clock. i.e. a lot of 'play' in it.
3) There is little or no vertical / horizontal play in the driveshaft i.e. it rotates but is not waggly.
4) With a rear wheel jacked up, handbrake on and in gear, the wheel can be rotated by hand about 30 degrees i.e there is a lot of 'play'. When the wheel is thus rotating, the rear diff side of the universal joint is also rotating, but the driveshaft side of the UJ is not moving i.e. there is a lot of play in the rear UJ. In this configuration the driveshaft is solid i.e. doesn't turn or move.
All ideas gratefully received...
Cheers!
I have googled it and found a number of similar stories, with numerous suggestions ranging from 'they all do that' to 'your gearbox is f
ked'.I am loathe to take it to the local LR dealer as all they will hear is ka-ching!
I am putting the symptoms here in the hope that someone knowlegable will recognise the problem..:
1) Clunk as described above,
2) When out of gear and handbrake off, the driveshaft can be rotated by hand with no effort about 30 degrees i.e. between 12 o'clock and 1 o'clock. i.e. a lot of 'play' in it.
3) There is little or no vertical / horizontal play in the driveshaft i.e. it rotates but is not waggly.
4) With a rear wheel jacked up, handbrake on and in gear, the wheel can be rotated by hand about 30 degrees i.e there is a lot of 'play'. When the wheel is thus rotating, the rear diff side of the universal joint is also rotating, but the driveshaft side of the UJ is not moving i.e. there is a lot of play in the rear UJ. In this configuration the driveshaft is solid i.e. doesn't turn or move.
All ideas gratefully received...
Cheers!
Hmmmm.... To a certain extent, they all do that.
The problem with the Defender drive train is that there are a lot of components, with the potential for wear/play (e.g. splines on the shafts, etc...). Then add to this driving styles where people tend to use the clutch as an on/off switch, instead of progressively loading the system.
Mix them all together and you have a recipe for drivetrain slop!!
M
The problem with the Defender drive train is that there are a lot of components, with the potential for wear/play (e.g. splines on the shafts, etc...). Then add to this driving styles where people tend to use the clutch as an on/off switch, instead of progressively loading the system.
Mix them all together and you have a recipe for drivetrain slop!!
M
No they are just st. most other 4 x 4's with equally complex drivelines don't go clunk.
Commonest clunk in a TDCi will be either a prop U/J at the front but the other favourite is excessive play on the transfer box output flange, some dealers will strip for you and tighten it up, Mine still had play in it even after tightening to factory settings....
Yours sounds like it has lots of lost motion in the diffs...Because Landy dealers are Technicians and not old fasioned mechanics these days they tend to just fit replacement diffs which are generally st....What they should perhaps be doing is building the diffs correctly and setting the pre-loads in them to eliminate lash...hence mine had 2 and then an axle overhaul because I kicked off!!
I wish i could tell you that they only had 1 fault but in 30k miles mine had 2 diffs, rear axle re-build, full clutch assembly, sump, front u/j replaced. front drop link replaced, 2 x heated screens, 3 x gear stick assemblies...Then the brake vacuum pump pissed oil everywhere and so the list goes on....
When the micron black mist coating covering the rear x-member decided to start to corrode I called it a day...
Then I went and bought this for the winter
There are some who will say that mines Ok, I have never had any problems etc etc...But don't delude yourself. They are all st if you actually want a reliable 4 x 4,
Their image, british class etc etc call it what you will will always ensure they are bought, loved...But they are overpriced bygones which Landrover just forgot to stop making and they aren't made very well anymore...Next time you are in a dealers have a look under one and try to find any rust preventative underseal etc!!
N.
PS The Stage 1 is for sale....
The wife always tells me that the first sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result..
No doubt one of the Landy's 4 ever crowd will beat a path to my door for a very rare thing!!
N.
t. most other 4 x 4's with equally complex drivelines don't go clunk.Commonest clunk in a TDCi will be either a prop U/J at the front but the other favourite is excessive play on the transfer box output flange, some dealers will strip for you and tighten it up, Mine still had play in it even after tightening to factory settings....
Yours sounds like it has lots of lost motion in the diffs...Because Landy dealers are Technicians and not old fasioned mechanics these days they tend to just fit replacement diffs which are generally s
t....What they should perhaps be doing is building the diffs correctly and setting the pre-loads in them to eliminate lash...hence mine had 2 and then an axle overhaul because I kicked off!!I wish i could tell you that they only had 1 fault but in 30k miles mine had 2 diffs, rear axle re-build, full clutch assembly, sump, front u/j replaced. front drop link replaced, 2 x heated screens, 3 x gear stick assemblies...Then the brake vacuum pump pissed oil everywhere and so the list goes on....
When the micron black mist coating covering the rear x-member decided to start to corrode I called it a day...
Then I went and bought this for the winter
There are some who will say that mines Ok, I have never had any problems etc etc...But don't delude yourself. They are all s
t if you actually want a reliable 4 x 4, Their image, british class etc etc call it what you will will always ensure they are bought, loved...But they are overpriced bygones which Landrover just forgot to stop making and they aren't made very well anymore...Next time you are in a dealers have a look under one and try to find any rust preventative underseal etc!!
N.
PS The Stage 1 is for sale....
The wife always tells me that the first sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result..
No doubt one of the Landy's 4 ever crowd will beat a path to my door for a very rare thing!!
N.
Edited by heightswitch on Monday 1st April 22:41
heightswitch said:
No they are just st. most other 4 x 4's with equally complex drivelines don't go clunk.
Commonest clunk in a TDCi will be either a prop U/J at the front but the other favourite is excessive play on the transfer box output flange, some dealers will strip for you and tighten it up, Mine still had play in it even after tightening to factory settings....
Yours sounds like it has lots of lost motion in the diffs...Because Landy dealers are Technicians and not old fasioned mechanics these days they tend to just fit replacement diffs which are generally st....What they should perhaps be doing is building the diffs correctly and setting the pre-loads in them to eliminate lash...hence mine had 2 and then an axle overhaul because I kicked off!!
I wish i could tell you that they only had 1 fault but in 30k miles mine had 2 diffs, rear axle re-build, full clutch assembly, sump, front u/j replaced. front drop link replaced, 2 x heated screens, 3 x gear stick assemblies...Then the brake vacuum pump pissed oil everywhere and so the list goes on....
When the micron black mist coating covering the rear x-member decided to start to corrode I called it a day...
Then I went and bought this for the winter
There are some who will say that mines Ok, I have never had any problems etc etc...But don't delude yourself. They are all st if you actually want a reliable 4 x 4,
Their image, british class etc etc call it what you will will always ensure they are bought, loved...But they are overpriced bygones which Landrover just forgot to stop making and they aren't made very well anymore...Next time you are in a dealers have a look under one and try to find any rust preventative underseal etc!!
N.
PS The Stage 1 is for sale....
The wife always tells me that the first sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result..
No doubt one of the Landy's 4 ever crowd will beat a path to my door for a very rare thing!!
N.
Wow. Just wow.t. most other 4 x 4's with equally complex drivelines don't go clunk.Commonest clunk in a TDCi will be either a prop U/J at the front but the other favourite is excessive play on the transfer box output flange, some dealers will strip for you and tighten it up, Mine still had play in it even after tightening to factory settings....
Yours sounds like it has lots of lost motion in the diffs...Because Landy dealers are Technicians and not old fasioned mechanics these days they tend to just fit replacement diffs which are generally s
t....What they should perhaps be doing is building the diffs correctly and setting the pre-loads in them to eliminate lash...hence mine had 2 and then an axle overhaul because I kicked off!!I wish i could tell you that they only had 1 fault but in 30k miles mine had 2 diffs, rear axle re-build, full clutch assembly, sump, front u/j replaced. front drop link replaced, 2 x heated screens, 3 x gear stick assemblies...Then the brake vacuum pump pissed oil everywhere and so the list goes on....
When the micron black mist coating covering the rear x-member decided to start to corrode I called it a day...
Then I went and bought this for the winter
There are some who will say that mines Ok, I have never had any problems etc etc...But don't delude yourself. They are all s
t if you actually want a reliable 4 x 4, Their image, british class etc etc call it what you will will always ensure they are bought, loved...But they are overpriced bygones which Landrover just forgot to stop making and they aren't made very well anymore...Next time you are in a dealers have a look under one and try to find any rust preventative underseal etc!!
N.
PS The Stage 1 is for sale....
The wife always tells me that the first sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result..
No doubt one of the Landy's 4 ever crowd will beat a path to my door for a very rare thing!!
N.
Edited by heightswitch on Monday 1st April 22:41
heightswitch said:
No they are just st. most other 4 x 4's with equally complex drivelines don't go clunk.
Commonest clunk in a TDCi will be either a prop U/J at the front but the other favourite is excessive play on the transfer box output flange, some dealers will strip for you and tighten it up, Mine still had play in it even after tightening to factory settings....
Yours sounds like it has lots of lost motion in the diffs...Because Landy dealers are Technicians and not old fasioned mechanics these days they tend to just fit replacement diffs which are generally st....What they should perhaps be doing is building the diffs correctly and setting the pre-loads in them to eliminate lash...hence mine had 2 and then an axle overhaul because I kicked off!!
I wish i could tell you that they only had 1 fault but in 30k miles mine had 2 diffs, rear axle re-build, full clutch assembly, sump, front u/j replaced. front drop link replaced, 2 x heated screens, 3 x gear stick assemblies...Then the brake vacuum pump pissed oil everywhere and so the list goes on....
Well, it's interesting to note that autos don't suffer any where near as bad... t. most other 4 x 4's with equally complex drivelines don't go clunk.Commonest clunk in a TDCi will be either a prop U/J at the front but the other favourite is excessive play on the transfer box output flange, some dealers will strip for you and tighten it up, Mine still had play in it even after tightening to factory settings....
Yours sounds like it has lots of lost motion in the diffs...Because Landy dealers are Technicians and not old fasioned mechanics these days they tend to just fit replacement diffs which are generally s
t....What they should perhaps be doing is building the diffs correctly and setting the pre-loads in them to eliminate lash...hence mine had 2 and then an axle overhaul because I kicked off!!I wish i could tell you that they only had 1 fault but in 30k miles mine had 2 diffs, rear axle re-build, full clutch assembly, sump, front u/j replaced. front drop link replaced, 2 x heated screens, 3 x gear stick assemblies...Then the brake vacuum pump pissed oil everywhere and so the list goes on....
(e.g. Disco 1 & 2, which have similar/identical drive trains)
M
heightswitch said:
No they are just st. most other 4 x 4's with equally complex drivelines don't go clunk.
Commonest clunk in a TDCi will be either a prop U/J at the front but the other favourite is excessive play on the transfer box output flange, some dealers will strip for you and tighten it up, Mine still had play in it even after tightening to factory settings....
Yours sounds like it has lots of lost motion in the diffs...Because Landy dealers are Technicians and not old fasioned mechanics these days they tend to just fit replacement diffs which are generally st....What they should perhaps be doing is building the diffs correctly and setting the pre-loads in them to eliminate lash...hence mine had 2 and then an axle overhaul because I kicked off!!
I wish i could tell you that they only had 1 fault but in 30k miles mine had 2 diffs, rear axle re-build, full clutch assembly, sump, front u/j replaced. front drop link replaced, 2 x heated screens, 3 x gear stick assemblies...Then the brake vacuum pump pissed oil everywhere and so the list goes on....
When the micron black mist coating covering the rear x-member decided to start to corrode I called it a day...
Then I went and bought this for the winter
There are some who will say that mines Ok, I have never had any problems etc etc...But don't delude yourself. They are all st if you actually want a reliable 4 x 4,
Their image, british class etc etc call it what you will will always ensure they are bought, loved...But they are overpriced bygones which Landrover just forgot to stop making and they aren't made very well anymore...Next time you are in a dealers have a look under one and try to find any rust preventative underseal etc!!
N.
PS The Stage 1 is for sale....
The wife always tells me that the first sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result..
No doubt one of the Landy's 4 ever crowd will beat a path to my door for a very rare thing!!
N.
Hmmmm................you've posted just the sort of S**t that brings me out in a wry smile and makes me proud to own a Defender !t. most other 4 x 4's with equally complex drivelines don't go clunk.Commonest clunk in a TDCi will be either a prop U/J at the front but the other favourite is excessive play on the transfer box output flange, some dealers will strip for you and tighten it up, Mine still had play in it even after tightening to factory settings....
Yours sounds like it has lots of lost motion in the diffs...Because Landy dealers are Technicians and not old fasioned mechanics these days they tend to just fit replacement diffs which are generally s
t....What they should perhaps be doing is building the diffs correctly and setting the pre-loads in them to eliminate lash...hence mine had 2 and then an axle overhaul because I kicked off!!I wish i could tell you that they only had 1 fault but in 30k miles mine had 2 diffs, rear axle re-build, full clutch assembly, sump, front u/j replaced. front drop link replaced, 2 x heated screens, 3 x gear stick assemblies...Then the brake vacuum pump pissed oil everywhere and so the list goes on....
When the micron black mist coating covering the rear x-member decided to start to corrode I called it a day...
Then I went and bought this for the winter
There are some who will say that mines Ok, I have never had any problems etc etc...But don't delude yourself. They are all s
t if you actually want a reliable 4 x 4, Their image, british class etc etc call it what you will will always ensure they are bought, loved...But they are overpriced bygones which Landrover just forgot to stop making and they aren't made very well anymore...Next time you are in a dealers have a look under one and try to find any rust preventative underseal etc!!
N.
PS The Stage 1 is for sale....
The wife always tells me that the first sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result..
No doubt one of the Landy's 4 ever crowd will beat a path to my door for a very rare thing!!
N.
Edited by heightswitch on Monday 1st April 22:41
So S**t that they have stood the test of time for over 60 years ?
So S**t that you bought a stage 1 ?
gavm5 said:
Hmmmm................you've posted just the sort of S**t that brings me out in a wry smile and makes me proud to own a Defender !
So S**t that they have stood the test of time for over 60 years ?
So S**t that you bought a stage 1 ?
You could buy it off me!! So S**t that they have stood the test of time for over 60 years ?
So S**t that you bought a stage 1 ?
I notice yours is fully re-built and you don't actually use it for the purpose it was intended!!
This was at 3 years old
This was the best one of the lot!! Cheapest as well, only needed a gearbox and cylinder head overhaul
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heightswitch said:
This was the best one of the lot!! Cheapest as well, only needed a gearbox and cylinder head overhaul
Considering other stuff of that vintage is now mostly £500 eBay fodder I'd say you've done well.
Or is the plate one of those personalised trophy things you put on all your trinket cars?
Crossflow Kid said:
Yeah, that's terrible for an N-plate which harks from what, 18 years ago?
Considering other stuff of that vintage is now mostly £500 eBay fodder I'd say you've done well.
Or is the plate one of those personalised trophy things you put on all your trinket cars?
That photo was taken some 9 years ago. i would think it has been re-built a further twice and has a galv chassis by now!! The old rover next to it on the other hand is the same car buried in the snow drift and was only replaced last year!!Considering other stuff of that vintage is now mostly £500 eBay fodder I'd say you've done well.
Or is the plate one of those personalised trophy things you put on all your trinket cars?
A lot of deeply personal comments from some humourless people on this forum. The plate is mine bye the way..enjoy your landies chaps.
N.
heightswitch said:
A lot of deeply personal comments from some humourless people on this forum.
I think wading in and implying we're all a bit stoopid for owning anything wearing a green oval probably didn't win you too many friends. As for the sense of humour, surely that's de rigeur for anyone driving a Land Rover, given their allegedly dreadful build quality, poor finish and dire reliability? heightswitch said:
This was the best one of the lot!! Cheapest as well, only needed a gearbox and cylinder head overhaul
My Griff was the same colour as yours, and the cheapest to own / most reliable car I ever owned.
I think of my Landy in the same way - a bit quirky but full of character.
Ayahuasca said:
I have a 2008 Puma Defender and have noticed a distinct CLUNK when lifting the clutch, especially at low speed going from first to second.
I have googled it and found a number of similar stories, with numerous suggestions ranging from 'they all do that' to 'your gearbox is fked'.
I am loathe to take it to the local LR dealer as all they will hear is ka-ching!
I am putting the symptoms here in the hope that someone knowlegable will recognise the problem..:
1) Clunk as described above,
2) When out of gear and handbrake off, the driveshaft can be rotated by hand with no effort about 30 degrees i.e. between 12 o'clock and 1 o'clock. i.e. a lot of 'play' in it.
3) There is little or no vertical / horizontal play in the driveshaft i.e. it rotates but is not waggly.
4) With a rear wheel jacked up, handbrake on and in gear, the wheel can be rotated by hand about 30 degrees i.e there is a lot of 'play'. When the wheel is thus rotating, the rear diff side of the universal joint is also rotating, but the driveshaft side of the UJ is not moving i.e. there is a lot of play in the rear UJ. In this configuration the driveshaft is solid i.e. doesn't turn or move.
All ideas gratefully received...
Cheers!
Mines done it since the day I picked her up. Well it did until last week when the gearbox went. Shes in bits at the moment.I have googled it and found a number of similar stories, with numerous suggestions ranging from 'they all do that' to 'your gearbox is f
ked'.I am loathe to take it to the local LR dealer as all they will hear is ka-ching!
I am putting the symptoms here in the hope that someone knowlegable will recognise the problem..:
1) Clunk as described above,
2) When out of gear and handbrake off, the driveshaft can be rotated by hand with no effort about 30 degrees i.e. between 12 o'clock and 1 o'clock. i.e. a lot of 'play' in it.
3) There is little or no vertical / horizontal play in the driveshaft i.e. it rotates but is not waggly.
4) With a rear wheel jacked up, handbrake on and in gear, the wheel can be rotated by hand about 30 degrees i.e there is a lot of 'play'. When the wheel is thus rotating, the rear diff side of the universal joint is also rotating, but the driveshaft side of the UJ is not moving i.e. there is a lot of play in the rear UJ. In this configuration the driveshaft is solid i.e. doesn't turn or move.
All ideas gratefully received...
Cheers!
heightswitch said:
gavm5 said:
Hmmmm................you've posted just the sort of S**t that brings me out in a wry smile and makes me proud to own a Defender !
So S**t that they have stood the test of time for over 60 years ?
So S**t that you bought a stage 1 ?
You could buy it off me!! So S**t that they have stood the test of time for over 60 years ?
So S**t that you bought a stage 1 ?
I notice yours is fully re-built and you don't actually use it for the purpose it was intended!!
Oh, and how is mine fully re-built ?
And please oh please enlighten me for what said "purpose it was intended" I should be doing with MY Defender ?
Afterall, I bought it, I own it, Its MY name on the logbook surely that lets me do whatever I want with it ?
Edited by gavm5 on Thursday 4th April 19:03
gavm5 said:
Oh, and how is mine fully re-built ?
]
I think what he means is that, going by the photos in other threads, you've modified or added bits to your wagon to make it your own.]
I think in Heightswitchland that constitutes rebuilding, especially if it adds to the myth that they're all S**t! S**t! S**t I tell you! (Or words to that effect)
Don't worry though, I too got told off for not using mine "properly". Must get a trailer and starting dragging heavy stuff the length of the country. Might kill two birds with one stone and increase my "very low mileage" of 176,000.
Crossflow Kid said:
gavm5 said:
Oh, and how is mine fully re-built ?
]
I think what he means is that, going by the photos in other threads, you've modified or added bits to your wagon to make it your own.]
I think in Heightswitchland that constitutes rebuilding, especially if it adds to the myth that they're all S**t! S**t! S**t I tell you! (Or words to that effect)
Don't worry though, I too got told off for not using mine "properly". Must get a trailer and starting dragging heavy stuff the length of the country. Might kill two birds with one stone and increase my "very low mileage" of 176,000.
I'm a bit worried that I could face prosecution from the incorrect vehicle usage police though..........
Edited by gavm5 on Thursday 4th April 20:54
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