Freelander 2, Disco 4 or RRS?
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Need advice...genuinely going around in circles on this one!
The Lotus Evora is going now I am a few months into fatherhood and have barely used it. I need a large family vehicle, as although the BMW 320d I have is OK as a family saloon, the boot is filled with a buggy alone, without shopping!
I really don't know whether to go for:
1) a 62 plate Freelander 2 in HSE spec, auto, black with black and cream leather, 3000 miles, lux pack and all the trimmings, 30 mth warranty, at £28K.
2) an 11 plate Discovery 4 GS, auto, with leather, 19000 miles, side steps in silver, 1 yr warranty, at £31K
3) a 10 plate RRS HSE, TDV8, auto, in black, with cream leather, 44000 miles, 1 yr approved warranty, at £33K
I kinda know the Freelander is the sensible option on fuel, tax, warranty & price...but it's 'only' a Freelander...lacks kudos for me and others...isn't that why they brought out the Evoque (which is too small for us)? I had a silver Disco 3 until 3 months ago and it's putting me off that it's basically the same car but twice the price, though 4 yr newer than my old one.
That brings me to the Sport...has the kudos (I am a bit Chav)...but is it too old, miley, inefficient?
Advice and opinions please!
The Lotus Evora is going now I am a few months into fatherhood and have barely used it. I need a large family vehicle, as although the BMW 320d I have is OK as a family saloon, the boot is filled with a buggy alone, without shopping!
I really don't know whether to go for:
1) a 62 plate Freelander 2 in HSE spec, auto, black with black and cream leather, 3000 miles, lux pack and all the trimmings, 30 mth warranty, at £28K.
2) an 11 plate Discovery 4 GS, auto, with leather, 19000 miles, side steps in silver, 1 yr warranty, at £31K
3) a 10 plate RRS HSE, TDV8, auto, in black, with cream leather, 44000 miles, 1 yr approved warranty, at £33K
I kinda know the Freelander is the sensible option on fuel, tax, warranty & price...but it's 'only' a Freelander...lacks kudos for me and others...isn't that why they brought out the Evoque (which is too small for us)? I had a silver Disco 3 until 3 months ago and it's putting me off that it's basically the same car but twice the price, though 4 yr newer than my old one.
That brings me to the Sport...has the kudos (I am a bit Chav)...but is it too old, miley, inefficient?
Advice and opinions please!
Edited by Lotusevoraboy on Tuesday 9th April 23:04
Lotusevoraboy said:
That brings me to the Sport...has the kudos (I am a bit Chav)...but is it too old, miley, inefficient?
Oh FFS... 44,000... Miley?? Really???What is it about us Brits? Why are we sooooo hung up about the mileage on a car??? If the car was built in the 1970s, maybe... But 2010???
/RANT OFF
I'd go for the RRS. At 44,000 miles, the engine is barely run in and hasn't properly loosened up yet.
As for the other points, you need to tackle this problem from both sides:
1 - Get a bigger car..
...but...
2 - As a new parent, cut down on the amount of crap you carry around with you for Jnr! (Honestly, you really don't need most of it.)
M
indeed, but wait until they go to uni, THEN you'll need a load lugger.Our disco 4 feels much better in many ways than the disco 3 we had before (much better engine, refinement, nav/sound)
The disco 4 on a 11 plate you are looking at should have the new 8 speed box, and the uprated 3.0 engine, if not it looks quite expensive.
The disco 4 on a 11 plate you are looking at should have the new 8 speed box, and the uprated 3.0 engine, if not it looks quite expensive.
Edited by qureshia on Wednesday 10th April 07:43
Camel...you're right, guess it's not that miley at all, just is compared to the other two cars mentioned.
As for the Disco, it is 3 litre, but I don't think the 8 speed box comes in until 12 plate? There are hardly any Discos out there at the moment, with many 10 plates ranging from £28K upto £35K...they seem hard to get at the moment and are keeping value well...so the 11 plate is actually OK value given what else is out there at the moment.
Depreciation wise over a 4 yr term they all look quite similar...based on some auto trader searches and man Maths. The RRS will probably be worth £15K in 4 yrs aged 7 yrs with 80000 on clock by then, losing £18,000. The Disco may be worth £12K in 4 yrs aged 6 with 60,000 on clock (I traded in a 6th old one 3 mnths ago at this level), losing £19,000. The Freelander may be worth £12k aged 4.5 yrs with 40,000 on clock, losing £15,000. In all cases it's pretty scary...a bloody expensive hobby...cars! The Freelander would be cheaper on all fronts...but on that logic we'd all be driving Dacia Sanderos!
Any other advice?
As for the Disco, it is 3 litre, but I don't think the 8 speed box comes in until 12 plate? There are hardly any Discos out there at the moment, with many 10 plates ranging from £28K upto £35K...they seem hard to get at the moment and are keeping value well...so the 11 plate is actually OK value given what else is out there at the moment.
Depreciation wise over a 4 yr term they all look quite similar...based on some auto trader searches and man Maths. The RRS will probably be worth £15K in 4 yrs aged 7 yrs with 80000 on clock by then, losing £18,000. The Disco may be worth £12K in 4 yrs aged 6 with 60,000 on clock (I traded in a 6th old one 3 mnths ago at this level), losing £19,000. The Freelander may be worth £12k aged 4.5 yrs with 40,000 on clock, losing £15,000. In all cases it's pretty scary...a bloody expensive hobby...cars! The Freelander would be cheaper on all fronts...but on that logic we'd all be driving Dacia Sanderos!
Any other advice?
I drove my Mum's Freelander 2 HSE auto at the weekend and it was surprisingly nice to drive. It is very smooth and easy to drive, it is 6 years old and she paid 18k for it, so not sure the one you are talking about would be 12k by 4yrs old.
Also I wouldn't worry about 'status' it is just a car at the end of the day, get the best one that fits your needs not the one your neighbours will be jealous of.
Also I wouldn't worry about 'status' it is just a car at the end of the day, get the best one that fits your needs not the one your neighbours will be jealous of.
Lotusevoraboy said:
As for the Disco, it is 3 litre, but I don't think the 8 speed box comes in until 12 plate? There are hardly any Discos out there at the moment, with many 10 plates ranging from £28K upto £35K...they seem hard to get at the moment and are keeping value well...so the 11 plate is actually OK value given what else is out there at the moment.
Not sure what the mkt is like at the moment, prices will soften as we go into spring and memory of the snow fades.As a guide I bought one, 5 months ago (just as the winter premium set in) a 11 plate, XS (rear camera, full nav, leather heated seats, few other bits and bobs), 10k miles, 18 months warranty left, FSH, one owner for £36k- it has the upgraded 3.0 engine (253 bhp verus 208 bhp) and the 8 speed gearbox (knob instead of a stick)
Wait a month or so and the silly prices will drop back.
You don't need a big car just because you have kids... I have a golf hatchback that is perfectly capable of carrying a weekend's worth of stuff for me, my wife and my little one. A colleague has 2 kids and an audi A2 and fits everything in it.
Ignoring that point, I'd go for the discovery, but only because I have a strong dislike of the RRS and I'd imagine there is a bigger depreciation hit still to take on the freelander.
Ignoring that point, I'd go for the discovery, but only because I have a strong dislike of the RRS and I'd imagine there is a bigger depreciation hit still to take on the freelander.
Owned all 3. The Disco we never filled. It's huge, heavy, nice, but not really necessary. The RRS was my all time favourite, the Freelander we have kept for the longest of any of our cars. It is bigger inside than the RRS, comfy, cheaper to run, but does the same mpg as the RRS.
You have to love what you buy. I would say the Freelander is the best choice, but when does that matter!
You have to love what you buy. I would say the Freelander is the best choice, but when does that matter!
Nick1point9 said:
You don't need a big car just because you have kids... I have a golf hatchback that is perfectly capable of carrying a weekend's worth of stuff for me, my wife and my little one. A colleague has 2 kids and an audi A2 and fits everything in it.
Ignoring that point, I'd go for the discovery, but only because I have a strong dislike of the RRS and I'd imagine there is a bigger depreciation hit still to take on the freelander.
You are probably right about not needing a bigger car, but having had a Discovery 3 until a few months ago I miss the convenience of it's size...loading, unloading, carrying wood, decking, slabs, compost, shopping, TVs etc. I also know that at waist height it would be so much easier getting the kiddy in and out, as would going shopping with the pram in the boot and actually having some space left for actual shopping. Guess it's hard to appreciate how convenient they are unless you've had one...even our current BMW 3 series feels too small, car seat only just goes in and out of the rear door awkwardly, even with isofix base, pram only just fits into boot too.Ignoring that point, I'd go for the discovery, but only because I have a strong dislike of the RRS and I'd imagine there is a bigger depreciation hit still to take on the freelander.
Or if you are set on a Land Rover product man up and get a Defender 110, relish in the lowest depreciating product Land Rover make, the more than capable space available for a family ute, the seriously cool image if that really matters to you or enjoy it as the absolute classless vehicle that it is and let people guess as to why you are the owner/driver of such a fine machine !
If you need more space than an F30 then a Freelander is out.
I love our Discovery (soon to be replaced with an F31!) and there is no other car I'd pick as an all weather, all occasion vehicle but they're expensive to run. The economy is OK, we get ~28mpg, but the servicing, tax etc are high. If there is a car I can justify spending the money on then it is this. It is also very relaxing as there is simply nothing to be gained from driving it quickly.
I like the sports but the running costs are going to be even higher again on the V8, yet it doesn't have the ultimate practicality of the Discovery.
I love our Discovery (soon to be replaced with an F31!) and there is no other car I'd pick as an all weather, all occasion vehicle but they're expensive to run. The economy is OK, we get ~28mpg, but the servicing, tax etc are high. If there is a car I can justify spending the money on then it is this. It is also very relaxing as there is simply nothing to be gained from driving it quickly.
I like the sports but the running costs are going to be even higher again on the V8, yet it doesn't have the ultimate practicality of the Discovery.
I've had a Disco 4 XS, an Si4 Evoque and now a RRS HSE (61 plate).
The RRS is my favourite, it just feels special and has enough room for 2 teenagers and our dog on long-haul trips away.
The Disco 4 was great, it had a lot more space but it was never filled so a bit wasted. The biggest selling point for me between the Disco 4 and the RRS is that while they are equally capable off-road, the RRS is a lot better on tarmac. The Disco wallows like a penguin on twisty roads and around roundabouts etc while the RRS handles much better than its size and weight suggest.
While I like the Disco 4's comfort and the way it encourages a more relaxed driving style, the wallowing got to me and annoyed me eventually prompting my move to the Evoque which was far better but ultimately too small. The RRS handles very nearly as well as the Evoque with the Disco 4's pothole negating comfort.
The RRS is my favourite, it just feels special and has enough room for 2 teenagers and our dog on long-haul trips away.
The Disco 4 was great, it had a lot more space but it was never filled so a bit wasted. The biggest selling point for me between the Disco 4 and the RRS is that while they are equally capable off-road, the RRS is a lot better on tarmac. The Disco wallows like a penguin on twisty roads and around roundabouts etc while the RRS handles much better than its size and weight suggest.
While I like the Disco 4's comfort and the way it encourages a more relaxed driving style, the wallowing got to me and annoyed me eventually prompting my move to the Evoque which was far better but ultimately too small. The RRS handles very nearly as well as the Evoque with the Disco 4's pothole negating comfort.
Issue finally resolved. The solution, it seems, was none of them. Have plumped for an Evoque! After a few more months of parenthood I've learned there will never be enough space in any vehicle...the more room you've got the more crap you end up carrying! It also has an interior as nice as any Range Rover....much more lux than the Freelander, Disco and even many of the RRS I saw. It also has the major advantage of being brand new rather than 3/4 yr old like the Discos, RRS and Vogues. The warranty was a big plus, as well as the excellent residuals and the fact that the finance was much more attractive compared to similar priced used vehicles. Arrives Sept on a 63 plate! SD4, 4WD, 5dr Pure, with fogs, tints, 20 inch rims. Wifey is well happy!
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