2006 Range Rover - which model?
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Original post didn't gather much interest, probably a bit long winded...
2nd attempt..
My knowledge on Range Rovers is near zero so I'm looking for some guidance.
What is the main difference between the SE, HSE, Vogue and Sport models?
Is the 2006 year a 'good year' for these cars in terms of equipment and reliability?
(looking at the pre-october 2006 model due to the change-over from sensible and silly tax rates - if that is the correct date?)
Cheers.
2nd attempt..
My knowledge on Range Rovers is near zero so I'm looking for some guidance.
What is the main difference between the SE, HSE, Vogue and Sport models?
Is the 2006 year a 'good year' for these cars in terms of equipment and reliability?
(looking at the pre-october 2006 model due to the change-over from sensible and silly tax rates - if that is the correct date?)
Cheers.
Edited by AA999 on Thursday 5th November 13:23
Hi
If it was me I would be looking for a 3.6tdv8 Range Rover Vogue.
I cannot recall when they changed from the td6 to the V8. It would be worth paying a little more if necessary for the v8. The td6 gearbox is not the strongest. I went through 5 in 100,000 miles!
The HSE spec is in my opinion too basic. The vogue is ideal.
You mention Sport. This is a totally different model, or does your question relate to Range Rover Sports?
If it was me I would be looking for a 3.6tdv8 Range Rover Vogue.
I cannot recall when they changed from the td6 to the V8. It would be worth paying a little more if necessary for the v8. The td6 gearbox is not the strongest. I went through 5 in 100,000 miles!
The HSE spec is in my opinion too basic. The vogue is ideal.
You mention Sport. This is a totally different model, or does your question relate to Range Rover Sports?
i,d have been looking for another car after the first one wentAA999 said:
Original post didn't gather much interest, probably a bit long winded...
2nd attempt..
My knowledge on Range Rovers is near zero so I'm looking for some guidance.
What is the main difference between the SE, HSE, Vogue and Sport models?
Is the 2006 year a 'good year' for these cars in terms of equipment and reliability?
(looking at the pre-october 2006 model due to the change-over from sensible and silly tax rates - if that is the correct date?)
Cheers.
The Sport is a different car to the HSE/SE/Vogue and Supercharged. The latter are "proper" (or Full Fat) Range Rovers - aka FFRR. The Sport is built on the Discovery chassis, and is smaller inside and out and not so well finished. 2nd attempt..
My knowledge on Range Rovers is near zero so I'm looking for some guidance.
What is the main difference between the SE, HSE, Vogue and Sport models?
Is the 2006 year a 'good year' for these cars in terms of equipment and reliability?
(looking at the pre-october 2006 model due to the change-over from sensible and silly tax rates - if that is the correct date?)
Cheers.
Edited by anonymous-user on Thursday 5th November 13:23
If you are doing low mileage, look very seriously at the Supercharged, simply because it is the top of the range spec-wise (eg rear seat entertainment is standard). Otherwise, Vogue SE (I think) is the one to aim for.
We picked up an 06 SC a couple of years ago and it has been very reliable. Routine wear and tear to some suspension bits, and bear in mind that it is a premium car so parts have a premium price, even though an Indy, but no catastrophic/chronic issues.
They are very nice to drive - excellent ride, commanding view and generally a nice place from which to watch the world go by. The seats lack a bit of lateral support, but if you notice that you're probably chucking it around in a manner which is not best-advised.
I liken it to an loved old pair of shoes or favourite coat. It has a very comforting feel to it.
I'd agree with Greg. If mileage is lowish then go for the 4.2 S/c. They are the best spec although a couple have shown up for sale recently without rear entertainment. Someone must have deleted it when new.
Other than that get the V8 Diesel. My indy swears by that engine.
I've only just bought my S/c so can't really help on reliability. It's certainly a very nice place to be. I've owned a couple of P38's in the past but the l322 is a vastly superior car.
A useful resource is http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/index.php
Other than that get the V8 Diesel. My indy swears by that engine.
I've only just bought my S/c so can't really help on reliability. It's certainly a very nice place to be. I've owned a couple of P38's in the past but the l322 is a vastly superior car.
A useful resource is http://www.fullfatrr.com/forum/index.php
Cheers everyone, some good info here.
Just shows you how much I know about these cars, I thought the Sport was the same as the HSE but only with different suspension.
So yeah, I think the Vogue will be the one I'll be looking at, try to convince the mrs that we need a supercharged beast, if not then most likely the TDV6, seeing as that was the diesel engine available before the silly tax bracket came in to play.
Just shows you how much I know about these cars, I thought the Sport was the same as the HSE but only with different suspension.
So yeah, I think the Vogue will be the one I'll be looking at, try to convince the mrs that we need a supercharged beast, if not then most likely the TDV6, seeing as that was the diesel engine available before the silly tax bracket came in to play.
AA999 said:
Cheers everyone, some good info here.
Just shows you how much I know about these cars, I thought the Sport was the same as the HSE but only with different suspension.
So yeah, I think the Vogue will be the one I'll be looking at, try to convince the mrs that we need a supercharged beast, if not then most likely the TDV6, seeing as that was the diesel engine available before the silly tax bracket came in to play.
The TDv6 was only available in the Range Rover Sport.Just shows you how much I know about these cars, I thought the Sport was the same as the HSE but only with different suspension.
So yeah, I think the Vogue will be the one I'll be looking at, try to convince the mrs that we need a supercharged beast, if not then most likely the TDV6, seeing as that was the diesel engine available before the silly tax bracket came in to play.
If you are saying a Vogue, then ut will be a Full Fat Range Rover, with a TD6 engine. with the weak gearbox. If you go this route find out when it was replaced etc, and budget for a replacement. Circa £1650.00
hashtag said:
The TDv6 was only available in the Range Rover Sport.
If you are saying a Vogue, then ut will be a Full Fat Range Rover, with a TD6 engine. with the weak gearbox. If you go this route find out when it was replaced etc, and budget for a replacement. Circa £1650.00
Cheers. Thanks for the advice.If you are saying a Vogue, then ut will be a Full Fat Range Rover, with a TD6 engine. with the weak gearbox. If you go this route find out when it was replaced etc, and budget for a replacement. Circa £1650.00
I wrote this. mainly aimed at a 2005 TD6 buyer but if you are headed TDV8 or SC then the gearbox bit is N/A.
Personally, I would opt for a TDV8 but if you can run a Supercharged then go for it!
Personally, I would opt for a TDV8 but if you can run a Supercharged then go for it!
piecost76 said:
No, it won't explode!
The chain driven BMW engine is almost bullet proof. The 5 speed GM gearbox however is made of cheese & has a shelf life of 120k at best. Anything more & you're on borrowed time so budget c.£3k for a reconditioned replacement.
That aside & assuming you have got one with a replacement 'box then all the usual things to watch for apply, primarily electrical based:
Seats both heat & move in all directions
Steering column as above (must move in/out - common fault!)
Air suspension rises & falls - check this a few times
No creaks from suspension bushes (it's a heavy car)
Sunroof opens properly
TV (if fitted) won't work as it's analogue
Check it goes in & out of low ratio with no noises a good few times & drive it in low also (may be the car's first time in low!)
Check air suspension again!
Try to go for a 2005 MY with the touch screen sat nav. The older Mk 3 BMW system is not worth a toss now & at that price, I would not entertain one unless it had the touchscreen nav.
Talking of price, at £8k you are at the very top end of what I would give for a 05 MY Touchscreen one with decent mileage, all the toys (Vogue or Vogue SE) and a reconditioned gearbox. Anything less is too expensive - more £6k with the gearbox caveat.
Great cars, you won't regret it!
The chain driven BMW engine is almost bullet proof. The 5 speed GM gearbox however is made of cheese & has a shelf life of 120k at best. Anything more & you're on borrowed time so budget c.£3k for a reconditioned replacement.
That aside & assuming you have got one with a replacement 'box then all the usual things to watch for apply, primarily electrical based:
Seats both heat & move in all directions
Steering column as above (must move in/out - common fault!)
Air suspension rises & falls - check this a few times
No creaks from suspension bushes (it's a heavy car)
Sunroof opens properly
TV (if fitted) won't work as it's analogue
Check it goes in & out of low ratio with no noises a good few times & drive it in low also (may be the car's first time in low!)
Check air suspension again!
Try to go for a 2005 MY with the touch screen sat nav. The older Mk 3 BMW system is not worth a toss now & at that price, I would not entertain one unless it had the touchscreen nav.
Talking of price, at £8k you are at the very top end of what I would give for a 05 MY Touchscreen one with decent mileage, all the toys (Vogue or Vogue SE) and a reconditioned gearbox. Anything less is too expensive - more £6k with the gearbox caveat.
Great cars, you won't regret it!
Given that the 'full' Range Rover gearbox may be a weak item on the 2005-early2006 models, would a similar aged Sport model be a better option?
The missus mentions that as we plan to use it for a few Euro-tour holidays, it wouldn't be nice to be on top of the Alps with a knackered gearbox
The missus mentions that as we plan to use it for a few Euro-tour holidays, it wouldn't be nice to be on top of the Alps with a knackered gearbox
piecost76 said:
Petrol or Diesel?
How old?
Up to 2006 TD6's had the troublesome 5 Speed GM gearbox
The Petrol cars had the 6 speed ZF unit which is "normal"
>2006 i.e. TDV8's also had the 6 speed ZF unit which as above is normal but still will require maintenance & oil changes though!
Cheers.How old?
Up to 2006 TD6's had the troublesome 5 Speed GM gearbox
The Petrol cars had the 6 speed ZF unit which is "normal"
>2006 i.e. TDV8's also had the 6 speed ZF unit which as above is normal but still will require maintenance & oil changes though!
Looks like I'm looking at a year that it going to be difficult to get what I'm after. (I think the TDV8's were post-October 2006?).
Maybe if I listed that spec then I could receive the best model advice :
(1) Pre-March 2006 (for the cheaper tax bracket - and also to keep myself within budget)
(2) Diesel (strict orders from the mrs)
(3) Best reliability (as we plan to do Euro-tour holidays - Alps etc)
(4) Budget £8-£12K (set this really as I noticed prices were dropping to this range for a sub-100K mile examples - again the Mrs has told me not to go mental on the budget and I'm also saving up for something else).
So given that the Diesel engines in the early 2006 models had the troublesome GM gearbox, would a 2006 Range Rover Sport model provide a better level of reliability and similar amount of capability as the 'full' Range Rover?
(If so then I may have to increase the budget a little - as the Sport models are holding their price a little better).
(5) Is there just one version of the Range Rover Sport? (ie. all with the same diesel engine and interior trim?)
Thanks for any response to the above. I'm learning all the time with each reply.
I've got a 2006 Jag petrol-engined Vogue, which my (and Piecost's!) indy tells me is (a) a good thing and (b) rare, because the TDV8 came out a few months after they switched from the BMW engine, and everyone went for the diesel not the petrol then. I can't remember whether I've had it 4 or 5 years now, but with the exception of a split front air suspension bag a few years ago, I've not had a scrap of trouble with it, and put nearly 50k miles on it. It's a lovely thing. Average is 20mpg, and that's long/short distances and towns vs motorways, the whole gambit. Be aware that early 2006 models, of any flavour, will also have the earlier, BMW, non-touch-screen electronics; I gather the later option is better.
hashtag said:
The TDv6 was only available in the Range Rover Sport.
If you are saying a Vogue, then ut will be a Full Fat Range Rover, with a TD6 engine. with the weak gearbox. If you go this route find out when it was replaced etc, and budget for a replacement. Circa £1650.00
To be honest though, 5 gearboxes in 100k is not a normal story, most TD6s will need 1 gearbox reconditioning in 100k and it can be done for under £1500 these days, a lot of them will be ok on the original gearbox as long as the oil and filters are changed at sensible intervals as a preventative measure, that said the TD6 is not a nice engine in an RR, it's underpowered, noisy and thirsty, the 4.4 BMW V8 is a much better choice if you want an early one.If you are saying a Vogue, then ut will be a Full Fat Range Rover, with a TD6 engine. with the weak gearbox. If you go this route find out when it was replaced etc, and budget for a replacement. Circa £1650.00
The TDV8 is a far better engine but you won't get one in the lower tax bracket, it came out on a late 56 reg IIRC.
Also just to make the OP aware, the TDV8 has been known to blow turbos, I've heard of £3500 upwards to fix and worse case a new engine!!, don't know if it's more common in the FF or RRS though.
As others have said, if you don't do much mileage go for a petrol, the 4.4 BMW V8 runs great on LPG if you want to keep costs down, the 4.2 Supercharged is also a great, and reliable engine, however, avoid one on LPG.
If you do want a diesel, I'd go for an RRS with the 2.7 V6, reliable gearbox and turbo, just make sure it's had its cambelts done!!, and make sure you get it in HSE spec(this is the top spec on a Sport)
Edited by Walter Sobchak on Monday 9th November 20:03
Edited by Walter Sobchak on Monday 9th November 20:05
CAPP0 said:
I've got a 2006 Jag petrol-engined Vogue, which my (and Piecost's!) indy tells me is (a) a good thing and (b) rare, because the TDV8 came out a few months after they switched from the BMW engine, and everyone went for the diesel not the petrol then. I can't remember whether I've had it 4 or 5 years now, but with the exception of a split front air suspension bag a few years ago, I've not had a scrap of trouble with it, and put nearly 50k miles on it. It's a lovely thing. Average is 20mpg, and that's long/short distances and towns vs motorways, the whole gambit. Be aware that early 2006 models, of any flavour, will also have the earlier, BMW, non-touch-screen electronics; I gather the later option is better.
Mine is an 05 and has the touch screen Nav but the pre facelift front end and the BMW V8, think 05/06 was a bit of a confusing time for RRs!!.AA999 said:
Cheers.
Looks like I'm looking at a year that it going to be difficult to get what I'm after. (I think the TDV8's were post-October 2006?).
Maybe if I listed that spec then I could receive the best model advice :
(1) Pre-March 2006 (for the cheaper tax bracket - and also to keep myself within budget)
(2) Diesel (strict orders from the mrs)
(3) Best reliability (as we plan to do Euro-tour holidays - Alps etc)
(4) Budget £8-£12K (set this really as I noticed prices were dropping to this range for a sub-100K mile examples - again the Mrs has told me not to go mental on the budget and I'm also saving up for something else).
So given that the Diesel engines in the early 2006 models had the troublesome GM gearbox, would a 2006 Range Rover Sport model provide a better level of reliability and similar amount of capability as the 'full' Range Rover?
(If so then I may have to increase the budget a little - as the Sport models are holding their price a little better).
(5) Is there just one version of the Range Rover Sport? (ie. all with the same diesel engine and interior trim?)
Thanks for any response to the above. I'm learning all the time with each reply.
If I may...Looks like I'm looking at a year that it going to be difficult to get what I'm after. (I think the TDV8's were post-October 2006?).
Maybe if I listed that spec then I could receive the best model advice :
(1) Pre-March 2006 (for the cheaper tax bracket - and also to keep myself within budget)
(2) Diesel (strict orders from the mrs)
(3) Best reliability (as we plan to do Euro-tour holidays - Alps etc)
(4) Budget £8-£12K (set this really as I noticed prices were dropping to this range for a sub-100K mile examples - again the Mrs has told me not to go mental on the budget and I'm also saving up for something else).
So given that the Diesel engines in the early 2006 models had the troublesome GM gearbox, would a 2006 Range Rover Sport model provide a better level of reliability and similar amount of capability as the 'full' Range Rover?
(If so then I may have to increase the budget a little - as the Sport models are holding their price a little better).
(5) Is there just one version of the Range Rover Sport? (ie. all with the same diesel engine and interior trim?)
Thanks for any response to the above. I'm learning all the time with each reply.
(1) Why quibble over approx. £250 p.a. extra tax when you are buying a premium luxury car? Surely you buy the best you can afford, regardless of tax status? 23 March 2006 is the switchover BTW...
(2) TDV8's came out on early 56 plates - I have had one.
(4) You will be able to get a TDV8 within budget. If you go for a TD6, you will never appreciate the smoothness of the V8 diesel as the BMW 6 cylinder is at best agricultural & slow (I have had 2!).
(5) There is no comparing a Full Fat to a Sport which shares its underpinnings with the Disco 3. They are both great cars but aimed at different markets. IMHO, the D3 (not RRS) is the best all round family car for the price so the RRS kind of misses out on both. It is neither a 7-seater family car & nor does it have the sheer presence & luxury of the Range Rover.
Just my 2p worth, try all 4 variants (FFRR in TD6, Petrol & TDV8 guises) and the RRS and then make up your mind. Beware that the RRS had the TDV8 engine also as mentioned above to confuse you more! Also and as my signing off RRS is very Essex/Cheshire IMO, even more so in White - Reem!
piecost76 said:
If I may...
(1) Why quibble over approx. £250 p.a. extra tax when you are buying a premium luxury car? Surely you buy the best you can afford, regardless of tax status? 23 March 2006 is the switchover BTW...
This comes down to restricting the budget. If I were to choose the higher tax bracket then I'd do my usual thing of budget creep. (ie. for only another £x then this model/year/milage is on the market etc.).(1) Why quibble over approx. £250 p.a. extra tax when you are buying a premium luxury car? Surely you buy the best you can afford, regardless of tax status? 23 March 2006 is the switchover BTW...
My finances are such that you're right, it is a matter of "quibbling", but I've always been 'tight' on where I place my cash.
A Range Rover purchase for me is more about an experiment more than anything else. But if I can get a good one for the tight budget and I enjoy the car, then I'll probably be able to convince the other half on a much newer model, or even brand new straight from the factory. (She has a general dislike for huge cars - so getting this far is an achievement - but hoping to change her mind).
The current fleet of cars is an M5 for my commute, Audi TT for the Mrs, a Caterham R500 for my track activies and well you'll have to look in my garage to see my current pride and joy
So the Range Rover would be for the difficult winter driving days and also for when we go on driving holidays. Giving a raised view of the countryside. And also providing an off-road capability if we want to head up over the mountains and on to some tracks etc.
piecost76 said:
(5) There is no comparing a Full Fat to a Sport which shares its underpinnings with the Disco 3. They are both great cars but aimed at different markets. IMHO, the D3 (not RRS) is the best all round family car for the price so the RRS kind of misses out on both. It is neither a 7-seater family car & nor does it have the sheer presence & luxury of the Range Rover.
Excellent. Thanks for your input - interesting to read where the RRsport sits in relation to other LandRovers. I think given the options for being Diesel and pre-March 2006 with a reliable gearbox, then its looking like a RRsport being the better option for me. 7-seats is not required but enough room in the back for the likes of a couple of mountain bikes will be essential.I take it that the RRsport is still a very capable machine off-road?
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