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Although not to your brief, I have a 2015 LR DS. Had it for 9 years, now at 68000 miles. It has the Ford 2.2 engine, so not Ingenium and all the issues that come with that engine, apparently.
The car has been very reliable, no issues at all, really. It seems necessary to ensure the battery is well charged and maintained, probably because of all the gismos it powers; a slow tailgate lift is the usual give away about the battery condition, so a quick charge needed. It is still on the original brake pads!
I have always extended the warranty due to press reports about reliability but only made one claim which was for a defunct tailgate lock in the first year of ownership. For several years I have had the car serviced at a local indie.
Wife and I find it comfortable and versatile, plenty of storage space and a good stowage area. We regularly travel from Mid Surrey to West Cornwall and to Cambridge, and it's good for these journeys. I get maybe 38mpg, more on longer journeys.
Perhaps most telling, we have no plans to change this vehicle.
R.
The car has been very reliable, no issues at all, really. It seems necessary to ensure the battery is well charged and maintained, probably because of all the gismos it powers; a slow tailgate lift is the usual give away about the battery condition, so a quick charge needed. It is still on the original brake pads!
I have always extended the warranty due to press reports about reliability but only made one claim which was for a defunct tailgate lock in the first year of ownership. For several years I have had the car serviced at a local indie.
Wife and I find it comfortable and versatile, plenty of storage space and a good stowage area. We regularly travel from Mid Surrey to West Cornwall and to Cambridge, and it's good for these journeys. I get maybe 38mpg, more on longer journeys.
Perhaps most telling, we have no plans to change this vehicle.
R.
I wouldn't go anywhere near the 2.0D Ingenium diesel engine. However, the lower state of tune in the DS is meant to be better than the 240bhp varient offered in the full size D5.
If you really want a DS, then I'd consider the 2.0 Petrol Ingenium. It still has the stupid camchain design as the diesel, but its considered to be much more reliable.
Alternatively, look at something else. The Discovery Sport was pretty decent when it came out but its really lagging behind the competition now and is also getting quite long in tooth in terms of age. The current Rav4 is a great car tbh.
Green ovals are great when they are working and this is from someone who has had 5 of them.
If you really want a DS, then I'd consider the 2.0 Petrol Ingenium. It still has the stupid camchain design as the diesel, but its considered to be much more reliable.
Alternatively, look at something else. The Discovery Sport was pretty decent when it came out but its really lagging behind the competition now and is also getting quite long in tooth in terms of age. The current Rav4 is a great car tbh.
Green ovals are great when they are working and this is from someone who has had 5 of them.
bakerstreet said:
I wouldn't go anywhere near the 2.0D Ingenium diesel engine. However, the lower state of tune in the DS is meant to be better than the 240bhp varient offered in the full size D5.
If you really want a DS, then I'd consider the 2.0 Petrol Ingenium. It still has the stupid camchain design as the diesel, but its considered to be much more reliable.
Alternatively, look at something else. The Discovery Sport was pretty decent when it came out but its really lagging behind the competition now and is also getting quite long in tooth in terms of age. The current Rav4 is a great car tbh.
Green ovals are great when they are working and this is from someone who has had 5 of them.
My neighbour has the petrol engined LR DS and, like me and my "old" 2.2, he has very little trouble with it. He gets it serviced with the same indie as me.If you really want a DS, then I'd consider the 2.0 Petrol Ingenium. It still has the stupid camchain design as the diesel, but its considered to be much more reliable.
Alternatively, look at something else. The Discovery Sport was pretty decent when it came out but its really lagging behind the competition now and is also getting quite long in tooth in terms of age. The current Rav4 is a great car tbh.
Green ovals are great when they are working and this is from someone who has had 5 of them.
I agree the DS is getting leggy hence the arrival of its replacement in 2026. I think it will be called Defender Sport from what I've heard about it.
A friend has a newish Rav4 which he is very anxious to get rid of as he hates it!
R.
Having now watched many hours on YT about these engines, it seems if the approved services intervals are ignored (2 years/21K miles) and replaced by a more standard 'every 12 months regardless' approach, things are usually OK. Even then, I'm turning my back on the diesels, and looking at the (very mild) hybrid P200 / P250. Also looking at 2020 or newer - info seems to be that Ingeniums got an uprated timing chain and tensioner set.
EdT said:
Having now watched many hours on YT about these engines, it seems if the approved services intervals are ignored (2 years/21K miles) and replaced by a more standard 'every 12 months regardless' approach, things are usually OK. Even then, I'm turning my back on the diesels, and looking at the (very mild) hybrid P200 / P250. Also looking at 2020 or newer - info seems to be that Ingeniums got an uprated timing chain and tensioner set.
This is always mentioned on the FB groups and whilst it will do no harm to revert to what some would describe as 1970s levels of oil changes, that still guarantees nothing in terms of the engine letting go. All of my Land Rovers had their oil changed annually and this was between 4-6000 miles but that is just because that is what I do per year and they still had numerous issues.
All the admins in the D4 group are on engine number two and they were over serviced too.
With Land Rovers, you are just taking a punt and you have to be prepared for that to backfire on you. Its just how its been since they launched in 1948.
EdT said:
Andeh1 said:
2021 brings a huge uplift to the electric systems, and the much improved pivi system.
Not familiar with before/after.. what to look out for, to tell if it's the newer vesrion ?It's a massive step forwards compared to their previous crap systems.
My dad’s got the same 2.0 engine in his E pace.
For what it is, it’s actually an ok engine.
Does several more mpg than the SD4 in our FL2.
Similar performance given its a D180.
He gives it an annual oil change regardless of mileage as the 2 year interval is likely the cause of many failures.
The facelift in a decent spec is quite a nice car.
We want a 21+ car in a few years to replace the FL2.
Plenty work fine, you only hear of the bad ones.
Same as D4s etc.
Plenty just work and get on with it.
You only hear of the ones that snap the crankshaft.
Like mine did.
For what it is, it’s actually an ok engine.
Does several more mpg than the SD4 in our FL2.
Similar performance given its a D180.
He gives it an annual oil change regardless of mileage as the 2 year interval is likely the cause of many failures.
The facelift in a decent spec is quite a nice car.
We want a 21+ car in a few years to replace the FL2.
Plenty work fine, you only hear of the bad ones.
Same as D4s etc.
Plenty just work and get on with it.
You only hear of the ones that snap the crankshaft.
Like mine did.
stevemcs said:
EdT said:
Well . We've just bought a 2litre diesel. Wish us luck! Getting it an oil service before collection. Will do oil service everywhere 12 months .. fingers crossed
If you do lots of town work make it 6 months/6000 milesPlan is to get an oil and filter change in-between scheduled services
A.J.M said:
My dad s got the same 2.0 engine in his E pace.
For what it is, it s actually an ok engine.
Does several more mpg than the SD4 in our FL2.
Similar performance given its a D180.
He gives it an annual oil change regardless of mileage as the 2 year interval is likely the cause of many failures.
The facelift in a decent spec is quite a nice car.
We want a 21+ car in a few years to replace the FL2.
Plenty work fine, you only hear of the bad ones.
Same as D4s etc.
Plenty just work and get on with it.
You only hear of the ones that snap the crankshaft.
Like mine did.
We bought a Freelander 2 SD4 as a stopgap as we were too poor to afford a Disco Sport at the time. That was over 7 years ago. It just hasn't gone wrong besides a split intercooler pipe and DPF sensor (they can degrade, either the wire to it or sensor itself, worth checking for a v cheap fix vs a new DPF) & DPF clean required. As long as you take it nowhere near a main JLR dealer who will say you need a new turbo for any of the above.For what it is, it s actually an ok engine.
Does several more mpg than the SD4 in our FL2.
Similar performance given its a D180.
He gives it an annual oil change regardless of mileage as the 2 year interval is likely the cause of many failures.
The facelift in a decent spec is quite a nice car.
We want a 21+ car in a few years to replace the FL2.
Plenty work fine, you only hear of the bad ones.
Same as D4s etc.
Plenty just work and get on with it.
You only hear of the ones that snap the crankshaft.
Like mine did.
It drives as well now as when we bought it. Serviced every year, costs mainly replacing consumables. Replaced the rear shocks about a year ago.
Now on over 120k miles. Cosmetically it has picked up a few battle scars, and the drivers seat leather started to split in the middle and alloys a bit scruffy. But at a short distance it still looks tidy. We get about 30mpg out of it.
The obvious replacement for Ingenium D180-phobes was for a 2015 Discovery Sport 2.2 but debating whether worth swapping to a "new" car that is already over a decade old. Or do we get a D180 and pay for a decent warranty, and change the oil every year.
Here is my obligatory 'One Life Live It' style picture from a trip to Scafell Pike:
Edited by WayOutWest on Monday 15th December 11:19
Andeh1 said:
EdT said:
Andeh1 said:
2021 brings a huge uplift to the electric systems, and the much improved pivi system.
Not familiar with before/after.. what to look out for, to tell if it's the newer vesrion ?It's a massive step forwards compared to their previous crap systems.
P200 and change the oil every year, no issues in 35,000 miles.
Two big problems with the 2.0 diesel ingenium.
1. Oil dilution due to failed regens.
2. Timing chain tensioners that, well, don’t.
Overly frequent oil changes and good long runs for point 1.
Post 2019/20 models have better tensioners, but I know of garages that budget for new tensioners as part of their sales prep on these. If you get a cheap one, put new tensioners on it and (maybe) relax for 50k miles.
1. Oil dilution due to failed regens.
2. Timing chain tensioners that, well, don’t.
Overly frequent oil changes and good long runs for point 1.
Post 2019/20 models have better tensioners, but I know of garages that budget for new tensioners as part of their sales prep on these. If you get a cheap one, put new tensioners on it and (maybe) relax for 50k miles.
drmike37 said:
Two big problems with the 2.0 diesel ingenium.
1. Oil dilution due to failed regens.
2. Timing chain tensioners that, well, don t.
Overly frequent oil changes and good long runs for point 1.
Post 2019/20 models have better tensioners, but I know of garages that budget for new tensioners as part of their sales prep on these. If you get a cheap one, put new tensioners on it and (maybe) relax for 50k miles.
To add a point number three to that. 1. Oil dilution due to failed regens.
2. Timing chain tensioners that, well, don t.
Overly frequent oil changes and good long runs for point 1.
Post 2019/20 models have better tensioners, but I know of garages that budget for new tensioners as part of their sales prep on these. If you get a cheap one, put new tensioners on it and (maybe) relax for 50k miles.
In LR products where the engine is transverse, changing of the timing chains on the Ingenium is not so bad. At least the work can be carried out with the engine in situ (All be it, a lot of items have to come out to get to the chains)
In the D5, the engine is mounted the other way and because of the daft design on the Ingenium (Chains either end of the block), the engine has to come out of the car and even the sketchiest of garages still want nearly £3k to do that job. The 2.0 in the D5 is also at its highest state of tune in the D5 (240 vs 200 and 180 in the smaller cars) and this must have some affect on reliability.
Its a shame really as I bet the 2.0 diesel is nicer to drive than the 2.o petrol (What I have)
MesoForm said:
At the end of my finance deal I was tempted to swap my 2019 (facelifted) Disco Sport for a new one but that big single screen put me off so I've kept mine.
P200 and change the oil every year, no issues in 35,000 miles.
That's good to hear. Annual oil change is the way ahead it seems.P200 and change the oil every year, no issues in 35,000 miles.
Ours is 2022, smaller touch screen and lots of buttons below it. Seems pretty well thought out.
So far only snag is I rest my hand near the underside of the screen, to steady my touch accuracy (have to do this is our more bumpy Caravelle) and accidentally turning AC MAX .
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