200TDI questions
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Hello all
I've decided i'd like either a Discovery, 110 or possibly a 90 (I doubt a good 90 will be in my budget mind you) to play with offroad and as a use and abuse car. I'm a diesel mechanic by trade so that side of it doesn't bother me.
what i'm curious of is what I can get for the money, i'm keen on an auto mainly due to my friends 4.0 litre LPG P38 was awesome at Tixover and despite the 18" alloys was even making some defenders look a bit silly at boxing day 2005. Also, I have heard that they are more robust, I wont be wanting it for performance.
Aslong as the chassis, transmission and engine are in reasonable condition then i'll be happy, but what will it cost me to get that?
My birthday is in May so I need to know how much to save haha
Dave!
I've decided i'd like either a Discovery, 110 or possibly a 90 (I doubt a good 90 will be in my budget mind you) to play with offroad and as a use and abuse car. I'm a diesel mechanic by trade so that side of it doesn't bother me.
what i'm curious of is what I can get for the money, i'm keen on an auto mainly due to my friends 4.0 litre LPG P38 was awesome at Tixover and despite the 18" alloys was even making some defenders look a bit silly at boxing day 2005. Also, I have heard that they are more robust, I wont be wanting it for performance.
Aslong as the chassis, transmission and engine are in reasonable condition then i'll be happy, but what will it cost me to get that?
My birthday is in May so I need to know how much to save haha
Dave!
Umm, bit confused.......do you want a 200 Tdi Disco/Defender or a P38 Range Rover as they are quite different!!??
A good 200 Tdi Disco will cost you £1500 upwards, a good 200 Tdi 110 £2500 upwards. 200 Tdi is a very robust engine. Checking for rust is the most important thing in particular the Disco boot floor, wheel arches, sills, inner wings, footwells, area around alpine windows and on Defender check chassis, bulkhead and doors. Manual gearbox's can fail so check for clonking when selecting between 1st and reverse and also sychro on 2nd and 4th. Other than that parts are cheap and readily available.
Range Rover wise a 4.0 SE auto P38 on LPG will be at least £4,000 for something even half decent but most early P38's for any less than this money are knackered and in need of work hence the low price! A P38 doesn't make a "use and abuse" vehicle as it'll just break if not cared for and therefore cost you a fortune (relative to a Tdi Disco/Defender) to keep properly maintained. P38's got more reliable for the 97 model year and also even more improved for the 2000 MY. Auto gearbox is more reliable than the manual but only a very few 4.0's will be manual versions and are normally base spec. HTH.
A good 200 Tdi Disco will cost you £1500 upwards, a good 200 Tdi 110 £2500 upwards. 200 Tdi is a very robust engine. Checking for rust is the most important thing in particular the Disco boot floor, wheel arches, sills, inner wings, footwells, area around alpine windows and on Defender check chassis, bulkhead and doors. Manual gearbox's can fail so check for clonking when selecting between 1st and reverse and also sychro on 2nd and 4th. Other than that parts are cheap and readily available.
Range Rover wise a 4.0 SE auto P38 on LPG will be at least £4,000 for something even half decent but most early P38's for any less than this money are knackered and in need of work hence the low price! A P38 doesn't make a "use and abuse" vehicle as it'll just break if not cared for and therefore cost you a fortune (relative to a Tdi Disco/Defender) to keep properly maintained. P38's got more reliable for the 97 model year and also even more improved for the 2000 MY. Auto gearbox is more reliable than the manual but only a very few 4.0's will be manual versions and are normally base spec. HTH.
Thanks for the reply church.
I mentioned my friends P38 just because of how surprised I was with how the autobox coped with offroading, that's why I want an auto box in the 200tdi.
So rust in the usual areas and model years are pretty much of a muchness apart from the facelift?
Dave!
I mentioned my friends P38 just because of how surprised I was with how the autobox coped with offroading, that's why I want an auto box in the 200tdi.
So rust in the usual areas and model years are pretty much of a muchness apart from the facelift?
Dave!
Dave. I am a fan of autoboxes generally and also do like them off road. I've pretty much had every version of every model over the years and a V8 with auto is always a pleasure off road. I do agree engine braking isn't as good as with a manual but in other situations you gain with an auto so its personal choice and its only at the extremes of off road use that you'd "need" a manual, and that probably won't be the case for you (for a while anyway!)
As a 1st entry to Land Rover ownership a 200 Tdi Defender is ideal in terms of cost/usability. The older diesels are "ok" but the Tdi really revolutionised how usable the Defender could be on road as it gave decent performance for once. All down to how much you want to spend, basically they all suffer corrosion problems on all years (to state the obvious a newer one should be in better condition but its all down to what use/abuse its had, mine is a 1991 and chassis is mint but I've seen Td5's with rot). Or if you go down the Discovery route you basically get the same drive train packaged in a more comfortable body for half the price, year for year. The Discoverys don't wear battle scars as well as Defenders and will rot quciker with off road use so you may want to bear that in mind, and for any serious off road use you'll need a lift kit on a Disco to keep up with a standard Defender and minimise damage to the body/fuel tank etc.
As a 1st entry to Land Rover ownership a 200 Tdi Defender is ideal in terms of cost/usability. The older diesels are "ok" but the Tdi really revolutionised how usable the Defender could be on road as it gave decent performance for once. All down to how much you want to spend, basically they all suffer corrosion problems on all years (to state the obvious a newer one should be in better condition but its all down to what use/abuse its had, mine is a 1991 and chassis is mint but I've seen Td5's with rot). Or if you go down the Discovery route you basically get the same drive train packaged in a more comfortable body for half the price, year for year. The Discoverys don't wear battle scars as well as Defenders and will rot quciker with off road use so you may want to bear that in mind, and for any serious off road use you'll need a lift kit on a Disco to keep up with a standard Defender and minimise damage to the body/fuel tank etc.
Thanks again for the great advice!
I think i'll start looking when I get back and just look for both and see which one is at the right price, condition.
I like the idea of the Discovery as it will be more comfy for the daily hack, but a Defender (if many had the autobox with the tdi?) would be ideal for playing in the mud.
Roll on my birthday!
Dave!
I think i'll start looking when I get back and just look for both and see which one is at the right price, condition.
I like the idea of the Discovery as it will be more comfy for the daily hack, but a Defender (if many had the autobox with the tdi?) would be ideal for playing in the mud.
Roll on my birthday!
Dave!
Defender in the UK never had a factory fit auto-box unless it was a V8 50th ltd edition in 1998. The Disco Tdi's had autobox as an option towards the end of 200 Tdi production, 300 Tdi came out for the 94 model year then for the 96 model year they increased power for the auto versions only.
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