TD6 Starting issues
Discussion
Morning all,
My Range Rover '02 TD6 doesnt like hot starting. It turns over fine, but won't fire up. Once it is cold (4 hours or so) it starts fine again.
Has anybody experience of this, or any ideas. I am particularly interested if there is anything in the immobilisor that could cause this, either directly or by stopping the primer pump working?
LR assist have loked at it, but no fault codes are showing on the system. Injectors have ben checked by Lucas and are ok.
Cheers
Simond
My Range Rover '02 TD6 doesnt like hot starting. It turns over fine, but won't fire up. Once it is cold (4 hours or so) it starts fine again.
Has anybody experience of this, or any ideas. I am particularly interested if there is anything in the immobilisor that could cause this, either directly or by stopping the primer pump working?
LR assist have loked at it, but no fault codes are showing on the system. Injectors have ben checked by Lucas and are ok.
Cheers
Simond
But at £219.14+VAT each for new ones it's an expensive guess if you're wrong.
It sounds to me more like this service bulletin:
"A customer may report a concern that the vehicle is difficult to start if it has been left standing for between 2-5 hours, or that the idle quality is poor for a short period after starting.
Cause: A calibration sensitivity issue in the engine control module software can lead to the above complaint.
Action: Should a customer express concern regarding the above, refer to the Service Procedure detailed in this bulletin to update the engine control module software."
Basically it needs the ECU plugging into diagnostics and the injectors given an ass kicking.
It sounds to me more like this service bulletin:
"A customer may report a concern that the vehicle is difficult to start if it has been left standing for between 2-5 hours, or that the idle quality is poor for a short period after starting.
Cause: A calibration sensitivity issue in the engine control module software can lead to the above complaint.
Action: Should a customer express concern regarding the above, refer to the Service Procedure detailed in this bulletin to update the engine control module software."
Basically it needs the ECU plugging into diagnostics and the injectors given an ass kicking.
alextgreen said:
But at £219.14+VAT each for new ones it's an expensive guess if you're wrong.
It sounds to me more like this service bulletin:
"A customer may report a concern that the vehicle is difficult to start if it has been left standing for between 2-5 hours, or that the idle quality is poor for a short period after starting.
Cause: A calibration sensitivity issue in the engine control module software can lead to the above complaint.
Action: Should a customer express concern regarding the above, refer to the Service Procedure detailed in this bulletin to update the engine control module software."
Basically it needs the ECU plugging into diagnostics and the injectors given an ass kicking.
We manage to get injectors cheaper than that.But there is a known problem with them.It sounds to me more like this service bulletin:
"A customer may report a concern that the vehicle is difficult to start if it has been left standing for between 2-5 hours, or that the idle quality is poor for a short period after starting.
Cause: A calibration sensitivity issue in the engine control module software can lead to the above complaint.
Action: Should a customer express concern regarding the above, refer to the Service Procedure detailed in this bulletin to update the engine control module software."
Basically it needs the ECU plugging into diagnostics and the injectors given an ass kicking.
Appreciate the debate.
Initially RR assist also advised looking at the injectors, and my local inie plugged in and could see no failures, but low reading on 2 of them. They recomended sending the car to Lucas, as they also believed that RR would just change all injectors and then "wait and see".
Lucas said that although the reading is slightly lower than ideal, it is far higher than they have sen on other TD6's and should be the problem.
The Update that you mention, is this a recall issue, or would i have to get it one with a Main dealer service. I begrudge paying £125ph to be partonised!!
Initially RR assist also advised looking at the injectors, and my local inie plugged in and could see no failures, but low reading on 2 of them. They recomended sending the car to Lucas, as they also believed that RR would just change all injectors and then "wait and see".
Lucas said that although the reading is slightly lower than ideal, it is far higher than they have sen on other TD6's and should be the problem.
The Update that you mention, is this a recall issue, or would i have to get it one with a Main dealer service. I begrudge paying £125ph to be partonised!!
Edited by Simond001 on Monday 10th September 13:08
alextgreen said:
Looking on the Land Rover Technical thingamy, there are no widespread issues with the immobiliser. That's not to say it couldn't cause it.
Can you hear the pump priming when you turn to position 2?
No, although it may be masked by the sound of the seat moving, steering column moving etc..Can you hear the pump priming when you turn to position 2?
I've booked the RR into Hunt Grange (Main Dealers) for next Weds.
Am i allowed to stipulate what i want them to do, juging by advice on here initially i need a Fault code check (although this has been completed and didnt show anyhthing), and then i need to flash in the latest software for hot starting problems.
Once this is done i would like to have the car back for a few days before they go any further, (iy may solve the problem!).
Is this allowed, as it will actually involve a bill of about £80 on the hourly rate based on times proffered?
Am i allowed to stipulate what i want them to do, juging by advice on here initially i need a Fault code check (although this has been completed and didnt show anyhthing), and then i need to flash in the latest software for hot starting problems.
Once this is done i would like to have the car back for a few days before they go any further, (iy may solve the problem!).
Is this allowed, as it will actually involve a bill of about £80 on the hourly rate based on times proffered?
I can't speak for another dealer but when a car is in for a diagnostic and we're pointed toward the rough area of the problem we will 'generally' spend a lot more than the 30 minutes of labour we charge for on the car.
I imagine if you say you'd 'like a diagnostic session because of x starting problem, I am aware of X known issue' - that will give the dealer a good starting point and hopefully your car sorted sooner.
Our money is in fixing problems, not finding them
I imagine if you say you'd 'like a diagnostic session because of x starting problem, I am aware of X known issue' - that will give the dealer a good starting point and hopefully your car sorted sooner.
Our money is in fixing problems, not finding them
Car has gone into dealers today.
Apparently one injector needs replacing as they fel it is leaking badly (although this didnt comeup at Lucas test last month), and also they need to replace one of the air suspension bits as it is leaking air.
Total bill £1160.
Kinda gutted that they wouldnt do the software upgrade as requested and let me see if that solved it.
Apparently one injector needs replacing as they fel it is leaking badly (although this didnt comeup at Lucas test last month), and also they need to replace one of the air suspension bits as it is leaking air.
Total bill £1160.
Kinda gutted that they wouldnt do the software upgrade as requested and let me see if that solved it.
Simond001 said:
Car has gone into dealers today.
Apparently one injector needs replacing as they fel it is leaking badly (although this didnt comeup at Lucas test last month), and also they need to replace one of the air suspension bits as it is leaking air.
Total bill £1160.
Kinda gutted that they wouldnt do the software upgrade as requested and let me see if that solved it.
As i suspected from your original post.Fuel injectors on these are a known problem.More gutting is the price of keeping these on the road.Apparently one injector needs replacing as they fel it is leaking badly (although this didnt comeup at Lucas test last month), and also they need to replace one of the air suspension bits as it is leaking air.
Total bill £1160.
Kinda gutted that they wouldnt do the software upgrade as requested and let me see if that solved it.
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